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thosebananas		...	18-01-2010 @ 16:51
Trophy Hunter Member 743, 3329 posts SQ 230, BP 130, DL 300 660.0 kgs @ 118kgs UnEq	JC said: Board pressing is tricep work...... oh, you mean the kickbacks? and drop set push downs obviously. work the pump baby

Duncan		...	18-01-2010 @ 16:52
deadlift 300kg conventional ? never gonna happen Member 414, 1127 posts SQ 275, BP 187.5, DL 317.5 780.0 kgs @ 115kgs Eq	Post Edited: 18.01.2010 @ 16:55 PM by Duncan JC said: Board pressing is tricep work...... oh, you mean the kickbacks? So hypertrophy work isn't important?

JC		...	18-01-2010 @ 16:57
technical retard Member 172, 36827 posts SQ 310, BP 205, DL 335 850.0 kgs @ 108kgs UnEq	Duncan said: So hypertrophy work isn't important? Not unless your a bodybuilder, no!

Duncan		...	18-01-2010 @ 17:03
deadlift 300kg conventional ? never gonna happen Member 414, 1127 posts SQ 275, BP 187.5, DL 317.5 780.0 kgs @ 115kgs Eq	So you are telling me that a small 9st guy could out bench a 18st guy, who holds more muscle mass, as that muscle is not adding anything? If not, why do people spend time trying to increase their muscle mass? Why is it the strongest guys are usually big?

JC		...	18-01-2010 @ 17:06
technical retard Member 172, 36827 posts SQ 310, BP 205, DL 335 850.0 kgs @ 108kgs UnEq	If you want to increase bench press I would get stronget first, without worrying about hypertrophy Hypertrophy may come as a by product of the strength, but I would concentrate on getting stronger first and foremost, rather than increasing muscle mass

thosebananas		...	18-01-2010 @ 17:06
Trophy Hunter Member 743, 3329 posts SQ 230, BP 130, DL 300 660.0 kgs @ 118kgs UnEq	Duncan said:So you are telling me that a small 9st guy could out bench a 18st guy, who holds more muscle mass, as that muscle is not adding anything? If not, why do people spend time trying to increase their muscle mass? Why is it the strongest guys are usually big? cuz we bounce the weight off our chests and get more out of those cheater shirts of course.

Duncan		...	18-01-2010 @ 17:07
deadlift 300kg conventional ? never gonna happen Member 414, 1127 posts SQ 275, BP 187.5, DL 317.5 780.0 kgs @ 115kgs Eq	Why can't you do both at the same time? e.g. ME work to increase absolute strength and hypertrophy work to increase muscle mass, better your levers and thus aid in increasing absolute strength?


MrSmall		...	18-01-2010 @ 17:08
Gone and easily forgotten....... Member 331, 22298 posts SQ 185, BP 100, DL 230 515.0 kgs @ 85kgs UnEq	Post Edited: 18.01.2010 @ 17:08 PM by MrSmall Duncan said:So you are telling me that a small 9st guy could out bench a 18st guy, who holds more muscle mass, as that muscle is not adding anything? If not, why do people spend time trying to increase their muscle mass? Why is it the strongest guys are usually big? The hypertrophy work you are meaning is for sarcoplasmic hypertrophy, myofibric hypertrophy comes from heavy and hard and often, rather than bodybuilding high rep ranges/volume. You can gain 10kg easier with some pumping actions but you won't be as strong as if you take your time and get it through heavy liftings. It's pound for pound strength that should be sought after, rather than just the weight on the scale. Food is paramount in both of course. Just think of it this way, who will be strongest, a 100kg bodybuilder with his training methods for keeping his size, or a 100kg olympic lifter who's ultimate goal is to be the strongest he can at that weight? edit: what does better your levers mean?

Duncan		...	18-01-2010 @ 17:09
deadlift 300kg conventional ? never gonna happen Member 414, 1127 posts SQ 275, BP 187.5, DL 317.5 780.0 kgs @ 115kgs Eq	Post Edited: 18.01.2010 @ 17:11 PM by Duncan Filling your frame out. If the 100KG bodybuilder is training to keep his size, he's not gaining anything then is he?

MrSmall		...	18-01-2010 @ 17:12
Gone and easily forgotten....... Member 331, 22298 posts SQ 185, BP 100, DL 230 515.0 kgs @ 85kgs UnEq	Duncan said:Filling your frame out. What did you think of the rest of the post? This is kind of an age-old topic of argument so I don't want to go pooping on Toby's log here.

Duncan		...	18-01-2010 @ 17:17
deadlift 300kg conventional ? never gonna happen Member 414, 1127 posts SQ 275, BP 187.5, DL 317.5 780.0 kgs @ 115kgs Eq	I understand what you mean by training to increase the different "types" of hypertrophy, but don't understand why "you" wouldn't want to increase all qualities at once? Ed Coan, Pudz, Alexeyev etc. all carry a ton of muscle mass and I don't just see it being a coinscidence that they are/were all hugely strong.

MrSmall		...	18-01-2010 @ 17:22
Gone and easily forgotten....... Member 331, 22298 posts SQ 185, BP 100, DL 230 515.0 kgs @ 85kgs UnEq	Post Edited: 18.01.2010 @ 17:22 PM by MrSmall Duncan said:I understand what you mean by training to increase the different "types" of hypertrophy, but don't understand why "you" wouldn't want to increase all qualities at once? Ed Coan, Pudz, Alexeyev etc. all carry a ton of muscle mass and I don't just see it being a coinscidence that they are/were all hugely strong. Yeah but they didn't get to that size with (only) traditional bodybuilding hypertrophy work that you were implying, especially not Alexyeev. When you squat 300k+ you will have big legs, no matter if you are nailing any extra hypertrophy stuff. What I'm trying to say is, do more sets with heavy weight or something, or some strongman events, over sacrificing some time/energy on bodybuilding style hypertrophy stuff.

thosebananas		...	18-01-2010 @ 17:25
Trophy Hunter Member 743, 3329 posts SQ 230, BP 130, DL 300 660.0 kgs @ 118kgs UnEq	not really sure how relevant this is.. but for about 4 months i pulled max reps at 180/190. after my comp i walked in and pulled a 32.5kg PB on dead.

MrSmall		...	18-01-2010 @ 17:26
Gone and easily forgotten....... Member 331, 22298 posts SQ 185, BP 100, DL 230 515.0 kgs @ 85kgs UnEq	thosebananas said:not really sure how relevant this is.. but for about 4 months i pulled max reps at 180/190. after my comp i walked in and pulled a 32.5kg PB on dead. That's not very relevant to what I'm saying, at least, what was your max dead before that comp?

Duncan		...	18-01-2010 @ 17:28
deadlift 300kg conventional ? never gonna happen Member 414, 1127 posts SQ 275, BP 187.5, DL 317.5 780.0 kgs @ 115kgs Eq	I'm not talking about doing only extensions/ delt raises etc. I'm talking about doing stuff like board work, shoulder pressing, lat work without doing heavy, heavy weights, after maxing out just before. If you ask me, there is no point in coming in, doing a single on bench, then doing another heavy PR attempt. We are trying to increase our classical lifts, not our max 3 board press , in the big picture. It is just draining your CNS without need. Accesory work is what builds your weak muscle group/s, betters your form and help to increase your comp lift, after this is what we want.

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