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bhamstaff		...	22-10-2009 @ 16:47
the best deadlifter, just smaller numbers Member 469, 1131 posts SQ 280, BP 200, DL 320 800.0 kgs @ 116kgs UnEq	21-10-09 1 hour and a half boxing

bhamstaff		...	22-10-2009 @ 16:47
the best deadlifter, just smaller numbers Member 469, 1131 posts SQ 280, BP 200, DL 320 800.0 kgs @ 116kgs UnEq	Post Edited: 22.10.2009 @ 16:48 PM by bhamstaff 22-10-09 1 hour and a half boxing

bhamstaff		...	22-10-2009 @ 16:51
the best deadlifter, just smaller numbers Member 469, 1131 posts SQ 280, BP 200, DL 320 800.0 kgs @ 116kgs UnEq	nathan said:i personnaly belive gear is hyped up to much and people rely on it to much to make gains. ive only just come to this decison being off 4 and a half months and ive lost a lot of strength but not enough to say im a weak as fker. size has gone down yeah but im still strong compared to some guys on gear so to me steroids are good when taken with the right stuff and food and rest ect but also naturally u can make gains 1000mg a week is a fking lot of gear imo. thats when it becomes a psycological affect. would your body really absorb all of it to its full advantage i heard you was on steroids for over 3 years without a break? isnt a very low dose over this amount of time more damaging to the body then 10 weeks on 3000mg a week? atleast the body gets a break off it and can recover, if your on a low dose you can never recover your natural test, your shut down and straining the body.

MattGriff		...	22-10-2009 @ 21:22
Member 194, 3976 posts	Post Edited: 22.10.2009 @ 21:23 PM by MattGriff bhamstaff said: i never stated anything ive write as fact, just pieces of information ive read from differant sources, whether they be false or true. more to the point id like to read more information myself to gather more knowledge. i wouldnt say ive taken a considerable amount of gear in my life, ive been upto 1000mg of test a week max for a few weeks. there isnt alot you need to know except testosterone is responsible for increasing strength by utilizing food more efficiently and recovering muscles faster. and is there any need to do PCT, as there is no sientific proof that it actually boosts natural levels up again and infact another thing ive read is that HCG can actually have a reverse effect on increasing natural test as in too high dosage it has a negative effect on the hormone loop thus keeping you shut down for longer. another site injection that i hear about is in the back by doctors to patients that are injured. why inject steroids intot he back muscles when it'd be much safer to do so in the glute? if its only absordbed via bloodstream? Ever heard of paragraphs? I will try to make some sense on this rambling. You don’t think it is important to know how your body cleans its own system out and how to recognise when the liver and kidney are working too hard, or the impact on cholesterol or blood pressure levels? Understanding what HGC is would probably help, it is not there to boost your testosterone. As for the back injection it is not Deca or Sust they are injecting lmao. It is Cortisone and is injected in the epidural space – the area surrounding the spinal chord and the nerves, its job is to reduce inflammation and swelling which in turn may lead to pain relief. It is a mixture of steroids and pain relief bhamstaff said: i dont think ronnie coleman and mariusz pudzianowski are rocket scientists... besides good genetics, they made things simple 1. train 2. eat 3. sleep 4. take alot of gear Ronnie who? Is he a fking bodybuilder? Who gives as st about what those faggots do! As for the dominator he was very scientific in his training, having a personal sports dietician and coaches to work out necessary % of weights to move in various training methods, much as the Russian Olympic team have done and proven to be very effective. Genetics are also important, for example you would never carry the sort of weight Pudz does even with monstrous amounts of gear due to being predominantly ectomorphic, but we are dealt the hand with that one and must play what we have. bhamstaff said: you dont need to know fk all about gear if you dont give a st do you? just take more and more gear and eat more and more. job done There is that legendary intellect firing off again! bhamstaff said: isnt a very low dose over this amount of time more damaging to the body then 10 weeks on 3000mg a week? atleast the body gets a break off it and can recover, if your on a low dose you can never recover your natural test, your shut down and straining the body. Probably not but that is just bro science not backed up, mainly because at 3000mg a week the liver will not be able to process toxins fast enough and could quickly become poisoned, not to mention the massive rise in blood pressure which would not occur at anything close to that level on say 250mg a week.

bhamstaff		...	23-10-2009 @ 00:24
the best deadlifter, just smaller numbers Member 469, 1131 posts SQ 280, BP 200, DL 320 800.0 kgs @ 116kgs UnEq	Post Edited: 23.10.2009 @ 00:51 AM by bhamstaff i dont believe HCG is there too boost testosterone, although it has been medically established that clomid, nolvadex and hcg increase test levels in the body in differant ways. It has also been established that hcg does not recover the HPT axis and further more suppress the hypothalamus and pituitary. Id only use hcg to get my balls back to normal size before pct. Although i have found my balls to not shrink during a cycle, so i do not follow this practise anymore. Im not stating injecting steroids into a muscle will give more benefit to that muscle. I understand that steroids are absorbed into the bloodstream. but doesnt certain parts of the body contain more site receptors? the very receptors that store your steroids. so i was presuming injecting into the muscle directly that the site receptors in that muscle would be filled quicker then injecting elsewhere, although it may be the case that less steroids are absorbed. yet you say doctors inject steroids and pain killer into the back muscles, but then you state glute is the best muscle to inject as more gear is absorbed and utilised. so why doesnt the doctor administer the steroids seperately into the glute to absorb more of the steroid intot he bloodstream resuling in better results? And to clear my site receptors id simply increase my metabolic rate. I thought we was having a discussion, not an English lesson.

bhamstaff		...	23-10-2009 @ 01:06
the best deadlifter, just smaller numbers Member 469, 1131 posts SQ 280, BP 200, DL 320 800.0 kgs @ 116kgs UnEq	the reason i write you dont need to know much about gear to be successful at a sport is simple. ask alot of athletes who use steroids who have achieved alot and majority do not know a great deal. i know some are advised by someone more in the know and follow their advise, which may be correct, but certainly not all athletes do this. the point is if you have the genetics for your chosen sport like strongman for example and willing to put the hard training in and have enough nutrition for your body to recover then cycling steroids on and off will only further you in the sport. you may have researched steroid use, but i do not believe the athletes at the top of the game all have significant knowledge in steroids. knowing more is more beneficial to you, but if we be honest the more advanced you get the more substances are used, its common sense.

Thing		...	23-10-2009 @ 08:47
a large fingered spastic that demolishes plant Member 89, 31706 posts SQ 260, BP 220, DL 290 770.0 kgs @ 142kgs UnEq	just to jump in a wee bit regarding the Cortisone injection. i have had 4 of these done in my lower back in the L4 and L5 facet joints, the reason why there are administered there is because the med that is used is a local anesthetic and anti inflammatory steroid that helps reduce the inflammation in the muscle tissue in the area that it is injected. My under standing is that it takes anything from on week to two weeks for the med to be absorbed into that area and for the swelling of the muscles to reduce. i did ask the Doctor why it could not be injected else he did say that its better to local the med into the problem area so that it has more effect. he tried to make it simple for my mind, which does make sense. sorry again to jump in


MattGriff		...	23-10-2009 @ 09:37
Member 194, 3976 posts	bhamstaff said:yet you say doctors inject steroids and pain killer into the back muscles, but then you state glute is the best muscle to inject as more gear is absorbed and utilised. so why doesnt the doctor administer the steroids seperately into the glute to absorb more of the steroid intot he bloodstream resuling in better results? Did I? In this discussion? Anyway beside the point but there is a greater volume of blood and tissue in the glutes which allows for a more rapid uptake of the drug (not site specific mind, into the bloodstream). As stated if you read my response properly, it contains anti-inflammatory drugs and painkillers – Thing has again backed up what I posted previously. bhamstaff said:I thought we was having a discussion, not an English lesson. I thought we ‘were’ having……. Discussions are places to learn too, that said I am not exaclt know for my excellent English abilities ha ha

MattGriff		...	23-10-2009 @ 09:43
Member 194, 3976 posts	bhamstaff said: ask alot of athletes who use steroids who have achieved alot and majority do not know a great deal. i know some are advised by someone more in the know and follow their advise, which may be correct, but certainly not all athletes do this. Of the top Powerlifters I know they have near enough all to a man been well educated on the use of steroids, it is how you get maximum benefit from them after all. And of those that are a little more intellectually challenged as you mention they follow the advice of those that are supposedly more in the know. Outside of the athletic community as quite frankly I don't even consider it a sport I have spoken with Dorian Yates regarding this subject, and he was a walking encyclopaedia of knowledge. He utilised a specialist medical team in London to monitor him ever month for any sort of problems, there were of course several sides he was aware of but the role of the medical team was more to find out if there were any problems he was not aware of.

JC		...	23-10-2009 @ 11:50
technical retard Member 172, 36827 posts SQ 310, BP 205, DL 335 850.0 kgs @ 108kgs UnEq	Matt I here what your saying, but IMO, you dont have to have any sort of knowledge of gear to get the best out of it I know quite a few lad who have little or no knowledge, but are told, what to take, when to take it, what PCT to take and when, and do ver well from it I also think Kieran acn use Ronnie as a good example. You want strenght from your cycles, and if you get considerably stronger you have used it effectively Ronnie wanted size from his cycles, he acheived that, so therefore had used it too good effect People should know a lot more about gear when they start to use it, but unfortunately they dont, and they certainly dont need to know the science of it to be able to use it effectively

bhamstaff		...	23-10-2009 @ 12:24
the best deadlifter, just smaller numbers Member 469, 1131 posts SQ 280, BP 200, DL 320 800.0 kgs @ 116kgs UnEq	Post Edited: 23.10.2009 @ 12:26 PM by bhamstaff MattGriff said: I thought we ‘were’ having……. Discussions are places to learn too, that said I am not exaclt know for my excellent English abilities ha ha thing wrote 'i did ask the Doctor why it could not be injected else he did say that its better to local the med into the problem area so that it has more effect' thing has said the doctor described injecting the med directly into the muscle is of more benefit. so how does this back up your claim? also you write steroids are injected into the back muscles along with pain killers, etc. i dont understand why a doctor would do this if only a fraction of the steroid will be absorbed and if site injection is myth? if i were to inject steroids into my back id be looked upon as a mad man, youve stated the glute would absorb more steroids into blood stream utilising it more beneficially. why doesnt the doctor inject it into the glute?

bhamstaff		...	23-10-2009 @ 12:28
the best deadlifter, just smaller numbers Member 469, 1131 posts SQ 280, BP 200, DL 320 800.0 kgs @ 116kgs UnEq	Post Edited: 23.10.2009 @ 12:34 PM by bhamstaff Dorian who...? he had blood work done in london then?

MattGriff		...	23-10-2009 @ 12:34
Member 194, 3976 posts	bhamstaff said: thing wrote 'i did ask the Doctor why it could not be injected else he did say that its better to local the med into the problem area so that it has more effect' thing has said the doctor described injecting the med directly into the muscle is of more benefit. so how does this back up your claim? also you write steroids are injected into the back muscles along with pain killers, etc. i dont understand why a doctor would do this if only a fraction of the steroid will be absorbed and if site injection is myth? if i were to inject steroids into my back id be looked upon as a mad man, youve stated the glute would absorb more steroids into blood stream utilising it more beneficially. why doesnt the doctor inject it into the glute? Did you read this bit for example? Thing said:… the reason why there are administered there is because the med that is used is a local anesthetic and anti inflammatory steroid that helps reduce the inflammation in the muscle tissue in the area that it is injected. We are not talking about AAS here, we are talking anti inflammatory, the purpose of this particular injection is to reduce inflammation and swelling in an effort to assist healing and control pain. And it goes with this: I said: As for the back injection it is not Deca or Sust they are injecting lmao. It is Cortisone and is injected in the epidural space – the area surrounding the spinal chord and the nerves, its job is to reduce inflammation and swelling which in turn may lead to pain relief. It is a mixture of steroids and pain relief So despite taking the piss a little referencing Deca or Sust you still don’t seem to have separated the idea of the steroids not being AAS So to sum up and hopefully get your understanding 1: The beck injection is designed to reduce swelling & inflammation. 2: It is not AAS they are injecting; there are different forms of steroids 3: If you understand points 1 & 2 then good, if not then I don’t think you should be allowed to operate heavy machinery ;-)

Thing		...	23-10-2009 @ 12:34
a large fingered spastic that demolishes plant Member 89, 31706 posts SQ 260, BP 220, DL 290 770.0 kgs @ 142kgs UnEq	bhamstaff said: thing wrote 'i did ask the Doctor why it could not be injected else he did say that its better to local the med into the problem area so that it has more effect' thing has said the doctor described injecting the med directly into the muscle is of more benefit. so how does this back up your claim? also you write steroids are injected into the back muscles along with pain killers, etc. i dont understand why a doctor would do this if only a fraction of the steroid will be absorbed and if site injection is myth? if i were to inject steroids into my back id be looked upon as a mad man, youve stated the glute would absorb more steroids into blood stream utilising it more beneficially. why doesnt the doctor inject it into the glute? Kieran i can tell you i wish i had gotten those injections of cortisone into my glute rather than where they went. but i think these type of anti-inflammatory steroids work differently to the types of meds that you take when cycling. so i really cant answer that question.

MattGriff		...	23-10-2009 @ 12:40
Member 194, 3976 posts	JC said:Matt I here what your saying, but IMO, you dont have to have any sort of knowledge of gear to get the best out of it I know quite a few lad who have little or no knowledge, but are told, what to take, when to take it, what PCT to take and when, and do ver well from it I also think Kieran acn use Ronnie as a good example. You want strenght from your cycles, and if you get considerably stronger you have used it effectively Ronnie wanted size from his cycles, he acheived that, so therefore had used it too good effect People should know a lot more about gear when they start to use it, but unfortunately they dont, and they certainly dont need to know the science of it to be able to use it effectively They do very well, good for them but does that rule out the possiblity they could achive more if they were better educated on the subject matter? I'm not saying they don't work if you don't know, there will be some benefits and so on, but to get the best out of anything aside all the other ingredients involved, diet, rest, trainign, drive and so on you need to be educated on the subject. Oh and apparently Dodgy internet artice says: And, yes, say Dr. Levine and other experts, a body like Mr. Coleman's is possible without benefit of anabolic steroids. Mr. Coleman says he has never resorted to steroids, and he has passed every drug test he's ever taken, according to a spokesman for the International Federation of Bodybuilding. Ronnie is clean as a whistle

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