Scottish Independence

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JamieG		Scottish Independence	10-01-2012 @ 18:09
Tom's CNS is better than steroids Member 2886, 2973 posts SQ 190, BP 122.5, DL 210 522.5 kgs @ 90kgs UnEq	Post Edited: 09.06.2012 @ 20:28 PM by JamieG I find this pretty interesting. News Link What are people's opinions on the effects it would have? Some sources say up to 47% of Scottish people already want Independence. What are the views of the many Scots on here?

JackRevans		...	10-01-2012 @ 19:15
'There was also a sausage in my mouth.' Member 2477, 16481 posts SQ 190, BP 130, DL 235 555.0 kgs @ 83kgs UnEq	well i am english and im all for it, if thats what they want why should they be part of a thing they dont want to be part of?

mikehowarth		...	10-01-2012 @ 19:20
Not so much as forgotten as can't remember Member 894, 4924 posts SQ 245, BP 167.5, DL 272.5 685.0 kgs @ 100kgs UnEq	Scotland will more than likely always look to England for financial support however this goes The statistics show that as a nation it needs us to make important decisions on complex issues However they have a right to independence and freedom of expression as do all living creatures

bjm81		...	10-01-2012 @ 19:21
Member 774, 16 posts	It's an aye fae me. I find it rather pathetic that people use the 'we will be worse off on our own argument' - Where is your self respect and determination? Why would you want to rely on the wealth generating capacity of others Nations to foot the bill for your own existence? Why don't we just become one superstate with a single political and fiscal central authority?.... Whether Scotland is worse off or not as an independent Nation is irrelevant to me. Having said that, I think we would have been better off if we had separatedin the 70's and probably will still be better off today (Scotlands Oil etc!!)

shortandmighty		...	10-01-2012 @ 19:28
Aiming for a 250 squat by the end of 2012 Member 1989, 3168 posts SQ 240, BP 140, DL 270 650.0 kgs @ 90kgs UnEq	I aman Englishman living in Scotland and it seems that there is a difference of opnion betweeb generations. The younger generation seen to think that while the idea sounds good and very patriotic and all the rest, the eealith is a completey different. Most of them realise that without financial backing the country would struggle. The older generations being the stubborn old gits they are would love independance. Personally I think it would be economic suicide, because aside from up here near Aberdeen thetryre isnt a great deal of money generated to support the country.

Martin1956		...	10-01-2012 @ 19:35
Old Age Presser Member 75, 7745 posts SQ 0, BP 200, DL 200 400.0 kgs @ 105kgs Eq	I thought Sugden didn't do politics? Or was that Muscletalk? Anyway, this could get heavy, very heavy, if people come on and say Scotland couldn't survive without English money when in fact Scottish oil has been propping up the UK economy for the last 40 years. A growing number of us north of the border have no quibble with English people but are increasingly resentful and resistant to being governed (actually one could argue that 'ruled' is more appropriate) by southern toffs who know there are no votes in Scotland and therefore give it little priority. A bit like the north of England really, I suppose...

JackRevans		...	10-01-2012 @ 20:00
'There was also a sausage in my mouth.' Member 2477, 16481 posts SQ 190, BP 130, DL 235 555.0 kgs @ 83kgs UnEq	Martin1956 said: Scottish oil has been propping up the UK economy for the last 40 years. this is true ^


Shaun		...	10-01-2012 @ 20:25
Member 1668, 1499 posts SQ 186, BP 102, DL 211 499.0 kgs @ 93kgs UnEq	If it was going to happen it should have happened in the 70s before the oil really took off, allowing us to better manage the wealth it has brought in. I live in Aberdeen where there is plenty of money going about so unsurprisingly many here are very in favour of independence, especially given how successive governments in Westminster have treated the oil industry. But outside of Aberdeen it's often a different story economically. Edinburgh would probably lose much of its financial services in the event of a split to London. I also think that people from the North and Midlands of England, Wales, and Northern Ireland should also be kicking up a fuss about how successive UK governments don't seem to have done much for any area that is outside of the South East of England.

Joni		...	10-01-2012 @ 20:25
left the country satisfied Member 10, 19241 posts SQ 240, BP 150, DL 270 660.0 kgs @ 107kgs UnEq	Martin1956 said:A bit like the north of England really, I suppose... good point i dont really have a big opinion either way, but the smallness argument doesnt fly, look at similar size countries from finland to estonia, or belgium etc and the story is varied.

TR		...	10-01-2012 @ 20:35
Member 2641, 11 posts	I am all for independence if they want it. It should really be their choice by way of a referendum. I do, however, take issue with the 'North Sea Oil' argument. Clearly, were Scotland to actually have it's own delineated maritime territory, it would have ownership over the bulk of the North Sea Oil. However, basing its fiscal budget on the presumption of continuing oil revenues would be potentially disastrous for Scotland in the event of a prolonged Oil Shock. I will freely admit though that if it weren't for that oil and the tax receipts generated, 'England', such as it is, would be in a much worse situation than it is now!

streak		...	10-01-2012 @ 21:46
they call him the streak Member 2002, 400 posts SQ 182.5, BP 130, DL 240 552.5 kgs @ 100kgs UnEq	It'll never happen IMO. We'll fking ste it. Again. Lol

JamesH		...	10-01-2012 @ 23:46
my buttocks hurt Member 337, 2119 posts SQ 300, BP 140, DL 305 745.0 kgs @ 125kgs Eq	JackRevans said: this is true ^ Evidence?

Ben_F		...	10-01-2012 @ 23:57
vegetarian with a big deadlift - who would have thought... Member 340, 13300 posts SQ 315, BP 190, DL 350 855.0 kgs @ 110kgs UnEq	What concerns me is how it will effect BSM u105kg!

Steve		...	11-01-2012 @ 07:59
nothing to hide, please follow my life on webcam Member 255, 3732 posts	This could have a big effect on English politics. We would now have a Tory majority without Scotland

davycummings		...	11-01-2012 @ 10:25
he's got betty davis eyes Member 1684, 6001 posts SQ 250, BP 186, DL 291 727.0 kgs @ 118kgs UnEq	I would vote yes for a number of reasons. Currently, despite having some dovolved powers, we are effectively economically governed by a party who didn't win a single seat in Scotland (I know, its a coallition with the lib dems and they did win some seats, but I dont believe they have any influence at all on procedings any more) the decisions taken are not taken with anywhere but the South East of Englan in mind imo. It is a continuation of the asset stripping of the rest of the UK in favour of that close to London section that has been going on since the end of WW2 Politically Scotland as a whole has a very different viewpoint and agenda to England, and leans more towards ideals of the smaller Scandanavian countries. The industries that were once strong in Scotland have been sold out to the EU as bargaining chips in negotiations to benefit the wider UK, take fisheries as an example, Scotland would have voted the exact opposite of how westminster voted on its behalf. I believe Scotland, as well as Wales and N Ireland should be able to choose to fully self goven if they wish. There may be negative ecopnomic repercussions for some, but it will be issues of your own making, rather than ones from decisions made to your detriment that benefit another part of the UK. Despite this, I still see very close colaberation between the countries that formerly would have been the UK. In the same way that Ireland is one of the largest trading partners, I dont imagine this would change for Scotland, or indeed any other of the UK nations should they leave the Union.

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