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| Billwest |  | ... | 16-11-2020 @ 22:17 |
Member 541, 4908 posts SQ 192.5, BP 120, DL 222.5535.0 kgs @ 92.8kgs UnEq | Rick said: That doesn't follow, as you surely know. Reduction of growth is not reduction of culling; nobody is calling for culling anybody. (Except, of course, those who believe we should let the virus run through the population...) Neither, before anybody starts, is anybody calling for, eg, sterilisation programmes. Like I said above, we know how to fix population growth. You make people safe and comfortable, so they don't have tons of kids in the hope some will survive to look after them when they're old. It works consistently, even in the face of religious imperatives (eg Italy, Ireland). Yeah, it's not rocket science. Really good vid on this theme by Hans Rosling, a population growth expert, if anyone has the time https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FACK2knC08E | ||
| Rick |  | ... | 16-11-2020 @ 22:31 |
 I am a bench-only guy Member 3, 10036 posts SQ 185, BP 175, DL 235595.0 kgs @ 140kgs UnEq Administrator | In other virus news: “This is the new norm for the entire society,” Lofven told a news conference. “Don’t go to gyms, don’t go to libraries, don’t host dinners. Cancel.” Sweden restricts public gatherings to eight people: http://www.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavirus-sweden-pm... And Tegnel apparently now admits the idea that heavier exposure in the spring would protect them better in the second wave was wrong: http://www.businessinsider.com/sweden-herd-immunity-second-wav... | ||
| WILLSAN | | ... | 16-11-2020 @ 23:22 |
 Trump will get another four years Member 126, 16707 posts SQ 160, BP 110, DL 225495.0 kgs @ 75kgs UnEq | Climate not doing so well right now, to be fair. that is not quite the point. there are countless numbers of predictions of environmental apocalypse in X amount of years that have proved to be entirely inaccurate - there are whole websites dedicated to this subject. however, there are probably more failed predictions on the overpopulation subject than even that due to the fact that they date back to malthus himself [a eugenicist]. One of several reasons we have to move away from a consumption based economy, of course. By definition unsustainable. But yes, we have known for decades that as soon as people get rich and safe their reproduction rate drops dramatically. The sooner we lift the developing world out of poverty, the sooner population problems go away. indeed. That doesn't follow, as you surely know. Reduction of growth is not reduction of culling; nobody is calling for culling anybody. (Except, of course, those who believe we should let the virus run through the population...) Neither, before anybody starts, is anybody calling for, eg, sterilisation programmes. Like I said above, we know how to fix population growth. You make people safe and comfortable, so they don't have tons of kids in the hope some will survive to look after them when they're old. It works consistently, even in the face of religious imperatives (eg Italy, Ireland). this is where the controversy lies. are you aware of the history of the pre ww2 eugenics movement? many influential people in the west were fully on board with hitler's ideas on eugenics and felt we were fighting on the wrong side. could it be that this movement did not just disappear after the war but went undercover due to the backlash against hitlers ideas? are you aware of the controversial origins of planned parenthood and margaret sanger? the forced sterilizations of the disabled and native americans running right up to 1979? the targeting of black women offering payment for sterilization? in modern day new york there are thousands more black babies aborted than are actually born. this is all modern history. way off topic however. the simple point I was trying to make is that people all too often flippantly talk about overpopulation without fully understanding the causes, effects and solutions. not a massive michael shermer fan but I like this article as a basic outline of the argument against malthusian ideas. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-malthus-is-still-wro... | ||
| WILLSAN | | ... | 17-11-2020 @ 18:27 |
Trump will get another four years Member 126, 16707 posts SQ 160, BP 110, DL 225495.0 kgs @ 75kgs UnEq | a two hour deep dive on bill gates from his background, to his domination of global healthcare, to his connections to jeffrey epstein and his influence on the response to covid for anyone who is interested: | ||
| Rick | | ... | 17-11-2020 @ 21:48 |
I am a bench-only guy Member 3, 10036 posts SQ 185, BP 175, DL 235595.0 kgs @ 140kgs UnEq Administrator | https://i.imgur.com/YDaJ8US.jpg | ||
| WILLSAN | | ... | 18-11-2020 @ 06:39 |
Trump will get another four years Member 126, 16707 posts SQ 160, BP 110, DL 225495.0 kgs @ 75kgs UnEq | Rick said:https://i.imgur.com/YDaJ8US.jpg trump derangement syndrome. | ||
| EDCLARKE | | ... | 18-11-2020 @ 08:12 |
 not particularly well educated Member 85, 10991 posts SQ 170, BP 130, DL 260560.0 kgs @ 90kgs UnEq | WILLSAN said:a two hour deep dive on bill gates from his background, to his domination of global healthcare, to his connections to jeffrey epstein and his influence on the response to covid for anyone who is interested: you do have to wonder why Bill gates is funding so many media companies , why would a publicly funded body like the bbc be accepting money from a private donator | ||
| The_Lone_Wolf | | ... | 18-11-2020 @ 09:23 |
 I eat a lot of meat Member 5124, 2999 posts SQ 245, BP 130, DL 275650.0 kgs @ 105kgs UnEq | Does the internet and social media give a platform for conspiracy theorists a global platform to reach millions... Yes. Are all conspiracy theories wrong... No. I don't 'what' to believe 100%, and when I think about it, the answer is very little else beyond we live and die. However, I do love a good conspiracy theory. I do wonder at times though, what goes on behind closed doors with a lot of these powerful big wigs. We all know that corruption is rife, dodgy dealings are plentiful, and usually the people at the top have skeletons in the closet, but even when these are revealed, things quickly get washed away in the media and forgotten about. | ||
| Rick | | ... | 18-11-2020 @ 10:31 |
I am a bench-only guy Member 3, 10036 posts SQ 185, BP 175, DL 235595.0 kgs @ 140kgs UnEq Administrator | Thread from a vaccine researcher explaining why the fact it didn't take ten years doesn't mean it's less safe (tldr: most of that ten years is spent waiting on paperwork delays). http://twitter.com/mark_toshner/status/1328837111869566976?s=1... | ||
| Ham | | ... | 18-11-2020 @ 11:24 |
Ham but hey Member 4787, 205 posts | Interesting. Who here will accept a vaccine in the first year or so? If it is a no then would you take it if some form of health passport system is enforced? | ||
| AdamT | | ... | 18-11-2020 @ 12:17 |
AKA the great reset Member 4056, 5207 posts | I don't want a vaccine that I likely will not need. Let's pretend the virus mortality is 1% (it's less). I don't think an unproven vaccine is necessary for anyone that is not old or suffering any health issues My father is 66 and has copd/asthma and type 2 diabetes. I would certainly advise him to take it, as the risk is more serious But no doubt we will only be allowed to work, go to gym, travel, etc if we have the vaccine Won't be mandatory, but life will be harder without it | ||
| Fatpete | | ... | 18-11-2020 @ 12:31 |
 Hyper obese Pete Member 70, 17921 posts SQ 322.5, BP 205, DL 300827.5 kgs @ 133kgs Eq | Ham said:Interesting. Who here will accept a vaccine in the first year or so? Me. I would | ||
| WILLSAN | | ... | 18-11-2020 @ 12:42 |
Trump will get another four years Member 126, 16707 posts SQ 160, BP 110, DL 225495.0 kgs @ 75kgs UnEq | EDCLARKE said: you do have to wonder why Bill gates is funding so many media companies , why would a publicly funded body like the bbc be accepting money from a private donator https://unitynewsnetwork.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/xgates-1.jpg.pagespeed.ic.w_VHWPl-wv.jpg https://unitynewsnetwork.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Gates-2.jpg https://unitynewsnetwork.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/gates3.jpg bill gates has had a lot of airtime on the bbc since wu flu. I wonder why. | ||
| Rick | | ... | 18-11-2020 @ 13:03 |
I am a bench-only guy Member 3, 10036 posts SQ 185, BP 175, DL 235595.0 kgs @ 140kgs UnEq Administrator | Post Edited: 18.11.2020 @ 13:03 PM by Rick Fatpete said: Me. I would I think few would be surprised that I would. But then I’m clinically vulnerable and have a job involving high exposure. | ||
| Rick | | ... | 18-11-2020 @ 13:06 |
I am a bench-only guy Member 3, 10036 posts SQ 185, BP 175, DL 235595.0 kgs @ 140kgs UnEq Administrator | Post Edited: 18.11.2020 @ 13:10 PM by Rick EDCLARKE said: you do have to wonder why Bill gates is funding so many media companies , why would a publicly funded body like the bbc be accepting money from a private donator They aren’t. BBC media action is a charity, a separate entity to the BBC and completely separately (and transparently) funded. They are entirely reliant on donation income, as one would expect of a charity. WILLSAN said: bill gates has had a lot of airtime on the bbc since wu flu. I wonder why. Because he’s donated billions to support infectious disease control over many years, been involved in many awareness campaigns, and has been warning about the likelihood of novel pandemic events like this for a decade or two? | ||
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