Novice Championships 2012
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| hilliker |  | ... | 16-11-2011 @ 21:15 |
Member 1025, 1032 posts | I think after the slating that guy got for doing the novice in gravesend when he was an open competitor no one will ever do it again.it was a severe slating | ||
| WILLSAN | | ... | 16-11-2011 @ 21:34 |
 Trump will get another four years Member 126, 16707 posts SQ 160, BP 110, DL 225495.0 kgs @ 75kgs UnEq | Matspence said: ha this is from the bloke that did st ives a few years ago lol, and then did a inters with lol in past years st.ives has had competitors ranging from novice to open standard. competing in st.ives in no way disqualifies you from doing inters in my opinion. and I really wouldnt describe wayne as a glory hunter!  | ||
| davycummings | | ... | 16-11-2011 @ 22:06 |
 he's got betty davis eyes Member 1684, 6001 posts SQ 250, BP 186, DL 291727.0 kgs @ 118kgs UnEq | I am surprised that of all the people on this site Wayne has gotten dragged in to this debate. I dont believe he is in any way a glory hunter. He chooses comps that match his aibility, which surely is what everyone should do. He has a good open level 18" deadlift, but its above the knee, so a different lift. I dont see the issue anyway even if someone tries an open comp, feels its not for them and goes back to inter. If they go to open and are competetive then stay there, but the whole point of inter is that you are not quite at open level surely, and the best way to find out if you are is to try it out. I agree with those that have issue with the definition of novice, and like JC's suggestion of light opens instead. Personally I would look at comps and my criteria for doing it would be, are the weights challenging, but potentially doable. If so, its a suitable comp imo. If you look at it and think its light, whats the point (obviousy this is different for anyone who happened to find opens light, as there is little place else to go, but this situation is highly unlikely for most) | ||
| samevans | | ... | 17-11-2011 @ 10:54 |
just got PM'd Member 1945, 685 posts | i recon just do it. Im novice by every account, i have only done a first timers and my numbers aren't massive but it'd be good crack and fun to compete in, and yes there would be some guys who would be massively too strong/ experienced to make it an even playing field but whatever really | ||
| ystradboy79 | | ... | 17-11-2011 @ 11:20 |
 Chris 'The Magician' Melling Member 1443, 978 posts SQ 270, BP 180, DL 320770.0 kgs @ 135kgs UnEq | Wayne_Cowdrey said:  I was average in that comp. Finished joint 5th. My stature gave me a MASSIVE advantage on that dead lift. I didn't shine on any of the other events.  Bugger that must mean Im average as well then , seriously though at no point did I think you were glory hunting at the swindon comp , your 400k pull was wicked to watch but by your own admission your smurf like height did come into play , Happy to finish an "average" 5th with you mate | ||
| JC | | ... | 17-11-2011 @ 11:59 |
 technical retard Member 172, 36827 posts SQ 310, BP 205, DL 335850.0 kgs @ 108kgs UnEq | Matspence said: so a 400kg 18" deadlift is at inters is it,,,, no,,,, at least rich cooper admitted doing opens iv done a first timers then the inters and have just done a opens, no glory hunting for me you obviously know very little about Wayne, his strength and weaknesses, performances in SM comps, and the history of the 'St. Ives comp' until you do, I'd keep your hugely inaccurate ramblings to yourself | ||
| Wayne_Cowdrey | | ... | 17-11-2011 @ 14:13 |
 Still got a little bit of strength Member 400, 22059 posts | ystradboy79 said: Bugger that must mean Im average as well then , seriously though at no point did I think you were glory hunting at the swindon comp , your 400k pull was wicked to watch but by your own admission your smurf like height did come into play , Happy to finish an "average" 5th with you mate | ||
| Matspence | | ... | 17-11-2011 @ 16:48 |
 Member 1391, 693 posts | Post Edited: 17.11.2011 @ 16:52 PM by Matspence WILLSAN said: in past years st.ives has had competitors ranging from novice to open standard. competing in st.ives in no way disqualifies you from doing inters in my opinion. and I really wouldnt describe wayne as a glory hunter! mate im far from bothered what anyone does, i just found it funny that wayne was adding about hunters lol, anyways its all a load of bo***cks really, one more thing i wasnt having a go wayne, just some friendly banter thats all lol | ||
| Matspence | | ... | 17-11-2011 @ 16:49 |
Member 1391, 693 posts | JC said: you obviously know very little about Wayne, his strength and weaknesses, performances in SM comps, and the history of the 'St. Ives comp' until you do, I'd keep your hugely inaccurate ramblings to yourself thnks for the advice fella, | ||
| Villa_Ste | | ... | 17-11-2011 @ 22:50 |
stingy with his letters Member 496, 668 posts SQ 210, BP 190, DL 230630.0 kgs @ 111kgs UnEq | personally for me, i think novice status should be about ability. how about if some1 never gets any stronger and has done 3,4,5 novice comps does this just mean they're not allowed to do the sport they love any more because they've done 2 many novices but isn't strong enough to move up a level? | ||
| JamesH | | ... | 17-11-2011 @ 23:18 |
 my buttocks hurt Member 337, 2119 posts SQ 300, BP 140, DL 305745.0 kgs @ 125kgs Eq | Novice is a slightly outmoded term, a hangover from the days when the sport was much smaller and more polarised. The only real purpose of a novice comp is to provide a taste of competition for those who are just entering the sport and aren't strong enough yet. Providing a cash incentive and a national 'title' seems completely contrary to this purpose. It just seems like an easy way for someone to claim a strongman title when, in all reality, they are not very good. To me, strongman is quite a pure sport, about celebrating the strongest, quickest, most competitive. People - myself included - push their bodies hard just to be good enough to turn up to open comps, let alone win. Elitist? Probably not. That's just how sport works. | ||
| Matspence | | ... | 18-11-2011 @ 04:34 |
Member 1391, 693 posts | Villa_Ste said:personally for me, i think novice status should be about ability. how about if some1 never gets any stronger and has done 3,4,5 novice comps does this just mean they're not allowed to do the sport they love any more because they've done 2 many novices but isn't strong enough to move up a level? totally agree with you, but i dont see how someone can turn up doing a few opens etc and call themselfs a novice still, i would slap my brother hard if he ever wanted to put hs name down for a novice comp, but what do i know lol..... | ||
| azz0703 | | ... | 18-11-2011 @ 09:11 |
Member 1912, 336 posts SQ 170, BP 135, DL 250555.0 kgs @ 110kgs Eq | Im a novice lol! i agree in terms based on e. ither strength or experience, i think i did 5comps this year and did well in a few events so yes im experienced at the activities but in terms of strength or max lifts in the gym im still a novice level. Wales novice u105 i placed 7 or 8th and champs of future 4th but its everyones own opinion of what a novice is. Id go off a mixture of experiencd and weights lifted | ||
| davycummings | | ... | 18-11-2011 @ 09:24 |
he's got betty davis eyes Member 1684, 6001 posts SQ 250, BP 186, DL 291727.0 kgs @ 118kgs UnEq | azz0703 said:Im a novice lol! i agree in terms based on e. ither strength or experience, i think i did 5comps this year and did well in a few events so yes im experienced at the activities but in terms of strength or max lifts in the gym im still a novice level. Wales novice u105 i placed 7 or 8th and champs of future 4th but its everyones own opinion of what a novice is. Id go off a mixture of experiencd and weights liftedMy feeling in this case is that you should start concentrating on 105 comps rather than novice if you want to progress. Your guy lifts are not all that high, granted, but 4th in Campions of the Future is a good result, so your events must be decent, and on that basis I think for your own personal improvement you would gain more from doing 105s. | ||
| azz0703 | | ... | 18-11-2011 @ 09:39 |
Member 1912, 336 posts SQ 170, BP 135, DL 250555.0 kgs @ 110kgs Eq | Yeah i totally agree so thats why ive entered next years u105 qaulifier and in january start training for that, but guys who deadlift 300 and call themselves novice are what annoy me | ||