Novice Championships 2012

azz0703 said:
Im a novice lol! i agree in terms based on e. ither strength or experience, i think i did 5comps this year and did well in a few events so yes im experienced at the activities but in terms of strength or max lifts in the gym im still a novice level. Wales novice u105 i placed 7 or 8th and champs of future 4th but its everyones own opinion of what a novice is. Id go off a mixture of experiencd and weights lifted

VanillaGorilla said:This is a complex and tricky topic. We all have an opinion on the classifications, what makes you eligible or precludes you. No doubt these will all differ from one person to the next.

Unfortunately though until we go down the route that they have in the USA, with a governing body, predetermined classes and criteria for progression we're going to be stuck with what we have.

This spreads further to things like national titles and qualifiers for WSM etc. I think the sport needs an overhaul and restructuring from grass roots to the top level in this country, and I know how I would structure it, but it's not going to happen any time soon is it?

VanillaGorilla said:This is a complex and tricky topic. We all have an opinion on the classifications, what makes you eligible or precludes you. No doubt these will all differ from one person to the next.

Unfortunately though until we go down the route that they have in the USA, with a governing body, predetermined classes and criteria for progression we're going to be stuck with what we have.

This spreads further to things like national titles and qualifiers for WSM etc. I think the sport needs an overhaul and restructuring from grass roots to the top level in this country, and I know how I would structure it, but it's not going to happen any time soon is it?

siovrhyl said:Some very good points you make there Dave, I could defiantly see a system like that being successful

VanillaGorilla said:Part of the problem, as already mentioned, is the number of competitions you've done, how you've placed and your level of strength can all be taken into account when looking to categorise athletes.

I think a points system is the way to go for this.

So, three classes:

Lightweight
Intermediate
Open

These would all have a 'qualifying total, eg 10, 30 and 50. You would accrue points depending on your experience. So a 10 man lightweight competition would have 10 points up for grabs for the winner, 9 for second place down to 1 for last place. Once you have accrued a points total that takes you to a threshold you MUST move up. This would require a governing body and athlete membership, so all official competitions are recorded, like PL or WL federations.

This system is self regulating, by which I mean if you win a lightweight comp then you are at the top of that standard already, you gain 10 points and move up. If you come last then you obviously need to improve, and you have space to do that. so you could in theory do 4 competitions, and improve in terms of strength and experience, and come say 10th, 8th, 5th and third, this takes you over the 10 point threshold and you're away.

You would be able to go straight in at a higher level if you think you have the ability. Even if you are a 300kg pulling 'novice' you only get one shot at the lowest category as you would then move up anyway.

I think U90 and U105 don't need ability/experience subdivisions.

While I'm rambling, I'd like to see a structured national title too. Open qualifiers for North, Midlands, South, Scotland, Wales and N.Ireland, with a grand final where the top 3 go through to WSM to avoid any of the jiggery pokery we hear about regarding invitations and one off qualifiers etc. having 3 spots would still leave a couple of places free for guys qualifying through Giants Live etc, but would give the up and coming guys more of an opportunity to break through, if they're good enough.

A bit disjointed and vague, but that's some of my thoughts on the matter

Matspence said:
whats stopping this being put forward, its quite easy to get a spread sheet up and running with these details on, if there is a few ppl on here that is up to the task then why cant we just do it? who do we need permission from to get it up and running, im pretty shaw that

Matspence said:
whats stopping this being put forward, its quite easy to get a spread sheet up and running with these details on, if there is a few ppl on here that is up to the task then why cant we just do it? who do we need permission from to get it up and running, im pretty shaw that

Matspence said:why cant we not liaise with these?

http://www.wnsfworld.com/wnsf_worldpartners_ksa.html

would that not bring the sport forward in this country???