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| dannyboy73 |  | ... | 18-06-2016 @ 10:10 |
Mask it or Casket !! Member 4600, 8166 posts SQ 240, BP 162.5, DL 255657.5 kgs @ 90.5kgs UnEq | Post Edited: 18.06.2016 @ 10:24 AM by dannyboy73 most racists wont be bothered to go and vote. the vote will be driven by the middle Britain.Wiegieboard said:Not all leave voters are racists but all racists will vote leave. However, most leave voters want change and some power over their future.A vote that actually matters for once. An out vote is no way a racist vote. | ||
| dannyboy73 | | ... | 18-06-2016 @ 10:21 |
Mask it or Casket !! Member 4600, 8166 posts SQ 240, BP 162.5, DL 255657.5 kgs @ 90.5kgs UnEq | Post Edited: 18.06.2016 @ 10:51 AM by dannyboy73 Very true, and similar to the Bush administration's 'if your not with us your against us' call to war slogan.danbaseley said: This attitude really grinds my gears; regardless of what I will be voting. And is patently not true. The remain campaign has had hundreds of endorsements from various politicians, economists, celebrities, media outlets." for the love of all things sensible. I know that we have all been tricked into believing that we are all now middle class and we are told that history has ended and are distracted by smoke and mirrors of global warming, the fundamental bogey men etc...However, People, ffs grow a backbone and vote like you are free minded men and women. | ||
| 1369phil |  | ... | 18-06-2016 @ 11:01 |
 doesnt work hard enough in the gym Member 1492, 2138 posts SQ 170, BP 145, DL 195510.0 kgs @ 112kgs UnEq | Post Edited: 18.06.2016 @ 11:02 AM by 1369phil Just putting this out there.If we vote leave and it doesn't work, what's to stop us joining up again? | ||
| Rick | | ... | 18-06-2016 @ 11:07 |
 I am a bench-only guy Member 3, 10035 posts SQ 185, BP 175, DL 235595.0 kgs @ 140kgs UnEq Administrator | We currently have a privileged position, with rebates, opt-outs, and so on. We'd not get that back quickly or easily, if at all. | ||
| luki | | ... | 18-06-2016 @ 11:29 |
Avatar Member 5517, 1538 posts SQ 160, BP 165, DL 201526.0 kgs @ 110kgs UnEq | I think EU/Brit relationship is screwed now either way. Leave campaign has successfully coloured the relationship to say EU is a malevolent anti democratic burocracy controlled by corporate interests. The debate has been completely set in terms of economic Determinism by the Stay side, furthering this position as EU as a corporate entity. Going forward from within, any EU policy will be viewed as killing indigionus trade and limiting local customs and laws. The idea that Brit politicians can't change anything, because power is Centralised in Brussels is now widely accepted as fact. Stay say "better in with a little influence, and keep your fingers crossed for reform, rather than out with none." They could have argued you are a contributing democracy at the centre of a larger emerging democratic project, but didn't. I think this will make Britons ungovernable over the next 10 years. If you remain how do you get people to trust elections that no one in power believes will effect change? At this point it's 'better out than in' imho. You can always rejoin if it all goes Mad Max. | ||
| John | | ... | 18-06-2016 @ 11:43 |
#biggef Member 5263, 3492 posts SQ 260, BP 195, DL 260715.0 kgs @ 130kgs UnEq | macroth said: I think you need to think harder about how polls are conducted and what they do or don't mean. Lol I'm quite sure how polls are conducted, I just refuse to believe that most britexiters are racist and stupid ,on a plus note for the remainers ,I've just read an artical on the EU opinion polls as suggested and because of the inaccuracy of many opinion polls it says that support for EU leave campaign could be greatly exaggerated so probably nothing to worry about .  | ||
| John | | ... | 18-06-2016 @ 11:43 |
#biggef Member 5263, 3492 posts SQ 260, BP 195, DL 260715.0 kgs @ 130kgs UnEq | Post Edited: 18.06.2016 @ 11:49 AM by John macroth said: I think you need to think harder about how polls are conducted and what they do or don't mean. Oops double post .although would like to add if we do stay in as mentioned above I hope it just kickstarts some reform . | ||
| luki | | ... | 18-06-2016 @ 11:48 |
Avatar Member 5517, 1538 posts SQ 160, BP 165, DL 201526.0 kgs @ 110kgs UnEq | I don't get the immigration aspect. No one I know complains about the 6 foot babe from Poland/Sweden/Italy sunbathing in next door's garden. By leaving the EU your going to curb this European migration. How is this racist. Dumb yes, racist? | ||
| danbaseley | | ... | 18-06-2016 @ 11:50 |
 A member for 10 years and still no mouldy peanuts Member 1252, 4479 posts SQ 160, BP 110, DL 215485.0 kgs @ 98kgs UnEq | macroth said: I don't see how it suggests that at all. On the other hand, many of the arguments for leaving align well with their racist views. As for the rest of your post, I'm not sure I understand. No argument is a magic bullet. Saying something or someone is racist still requires explaining and demonstrating. So, every racist in the country is voting out then? How convenient. | ||
| danbaseley | | ... | 18-06-2016 @ 11:57 |
A member for 10 years and still no mouldy peanuts Member 1252, 4479 posts SQ 160, BP 110, DL 215485.0 kgs @ 98kgs UnEq | Rick said:We currently have a privileged position, with rebates, opt-outs, and so on. We'd not get that back quickly or easily, if at all. The problem with leaving is the EU would punish any attempt to get back in/downgrade our current position upon returning - as a warning to others. The problem with staying is that the EU (I believe) will effectively take the position of "we pressed, they blinked" on any new attempt to renegotiate our position. | ||
| John | | ... | 18-06-2016 @ 12:01 |
#biggef Member 5263, 3492 posts SQ 260, BP 195, DL 260715.0 kgs @ 130kgs UnEq | danbaseley said: The problem with leaving is the EU would punish any attempt to get back in/downgrade our current position upon returning - as a warning to others. The problem with staying is that the EU (I believe) will effectively take the position of "we pressed, they blinked" on any new attempt to renegotiate our position. I'd have to agree with that.is it worth the gamble good point. | ||
| dannyboy73 | | ... | 18-06-2016 @ 12:01 |
Mask it or Casket !! Member 4600, 8166 posts SQ 240, BP 162.5, DL 255657.5 kgs @ 90.5kgs UnEq | I honestly do not know which way this will go. It depends on turnout. I expect that the majority will out but the majority of people who bother on the day will be in. I have made my position clear. However, I wont cry about it if the majority dont bother to stand up and be counted. There is also a moral dalema. Although I voted out and believe its for the best for my children who may get better employment rights from being out (being that we are world leaders in policy and ethics). I also enjoy the Europeans that I work with , train with and share my town with. My issue is with the flow of my tax money out to the EU then back to the farmers! Not with immigration... It is complex really. | ||
| John | | ... | 18-06-2016 @ 12:07 |
#biggef Member 5263, 3492 posts SQ 260, BP 195, DL 260715.0 kgs @ 130kgs UnEq | Just thought ..isn't accusing all or most britexitets of being racist or stupid the same as saying the remainers are sympathisers of imagrant rapists and in support of those who carried out the new years sex attacks. Are all remainers sex offenders in waiting ? Obviously this isn't what I think but using the same logic applied to the racist chant could this not be used as an argument? | ||
| John | | ... | 18-06-2016 @ 12:13 |
#biggef Member 5263, 3492 posts SQ 260, BP 195, DL 260715.0 kgs @ 130kgs UnEq | dannyboy73 said:I honestly do not know which way this will go. It depends on turnout. I expect that the majority will out but the majority of people who bother on the day will be in. I have made my position clear. However, I wont cry about it if the majority dont bother to stand up and be counted. There is also a moral dalema. Although I voted out and believe its for the best for my children who may get better employment rights from being out (being that we are world leaders in policy and ethics). I also enjoy the Europeans that I work with , train with and share my town with. My issue is with the flow of my tax money out to the EU then back to the farmers! Not with immigration... It is complex really. I'd have to echo that,but have been cought up in the whole being called racist thing lol.many work mates and friend are polish,Lithuanian. | ||
| danbaseley | | ... | 18-06-2016 @ 12:18 |
A member for 10 years and still no mouldy peanuts Member 1252, 4479 posts SQ 160, BP 110, DL 215485.0 kgs @ 98kgs UnEq | John said:Just thought ..isn't accusing all or most britexitets of being racist or stupid the same as saying the remainers are sympathisers of imagrant rapists and in support of those who carried out the new years sex attacks. Are all remainers sex offenders in waiting ? Obviously this isn't what I think but using the same logic applied to the racist chant could this not be used as an argument? Of course it is different. One group are patently racist bigots hell-bent on a third pan-European war; the other are fighting the brave fight against racist "Little Britain" types and their desire to destroy hundreds of years of peace. Speaking as someone who is (probably) voting to stay in - I feel it is only fair and reasonable to paint those with a different opinion to myself as bigoted and hateful. | ||
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