Whats more dangerous, crossfit or strongman?

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herman		Whats more dangerous, crossfit or strongman?	16-01-2014 @ 02:27
hermit Member 3904, 988 posts	Just heard about this unfortunate event at a crossfit comp; http://www.crossfitinvictus.com/blog/our-thoughts-and-prayers-... http://therxreview.com/kevin-ogar-suffers-serious-injury-at-oc... Apparently Ogar dropped the bar on his back severing his spinal cord There is of course this 'possibility' anytime someone performs a snatch or heavy overhead lift. But something tells me that the event being a 3RM snatch from the floor has something to do with it. Strongman tends to have a rep for being dangerous, but is it ever this dangerous?

unit94		...	16-01-2014 @ 02:37
what is everyone's fran time? Member 3986, 10449 posts SQ 340, BP 200, DL 400 940.0 kgs @ 129kgs Eq	Well I reckon that strongman has more of a chance of an injury like dropping a log on your head, although obviously it happened to a crossfitter which is so unlucky to do so much damage, or tearing a bicep but I think there's alot more risk of overuse injuries with crossfit from form breakdown during high rep stuff.

Marc_Wells		...	16-01-2014 @ 02:40
Member 4513, 12 posts	That was a bit of a freak accident! Rock Tape wont fix that one.......too soon? Crossfit isnt too bad in some ways but there are a few things which are just plain crazy, like atlas stone squats, where you have to shoulder a stone, roll it to the back of your neck and squat. What happens if you fall foward, going to be hard to get out of the way of that stone!

mr4130		...	16-01-2014 @ 06:59
Member 3366, 247 posts SQ 200, BP 150, DL 230 580.0 kgs @ 92kgs UnEq	I think strongman is more dangerous simply due to the higher weights involved. Simply going through Sugden and looking at all the past and present injury posts would confirm that. The Kevin Ogar incident really is a freak accident. Pretty much like the Wayne Rainey Moto Gp crash, it was something that happens hundreds of times and in that one instance all the odds combined to give a s**t result.

macroth		...	16-01-2014 @ 08:57
no longer the Swiss Deadlift record holder Member 3517, 3368 posts SQ 182.5, BP 122.5, DL 255 560.0 kgs @ 90kgs UnEq	Freak accident. But stupid, stupid programming for that CF competition and many others. Dumping a 100+kilo snatch is a split second decision, a matter of centimetres. When your mind and body are already toast from 7 grueling events, bad things can happen.

youngy		...	16-01-2014 @ 10:01
crushed the generals chance of 6th place Member 588, 5477 posts SQ 200, BP 100, DL 200 500.0 kgs @ 84kgs UnEq	Agreed with the above, it was a freak accident. From what I've read on the internet he is a decent and experienced weightlifter. It was on the first rep. He dropped the bar behind him probably just clearing himself which hit a stack of plates behind him and then fired back into his lower back. This is just what I've read from people who claim to have been there so very much a freak accident bit helped by the silly programming.

slimsim		...	16-01-2014 @ 10:36
My asshole is not watertight. Member 2926, 6050 posts SQ 217.5, BP 107.5, DL 225 550.0 kgs @ 86kgs UnEq	Doing a 3RM snatch is not in any way dangerous. I regularly do triples in my training. Doing a 3RM snatch when already fatigued, I feel, is asking for trouble. Movement patterns and reactions are likely to be impaired resulting in a bigger risk of injury. However, this is a freak accident. I've dropped at least a couple of snatches directly onto my neck over the years, Matteus Steiner dropped 190+ on his neck at the last Olympics and still awalked away, Ben66 has done it.........probably hundreds of oly lifters have done it yet walked away unscathed. This guy very unfortunately just hit the jackpot on the reverse lottery. Reading about him not having medical insurance makes me so thankful that we have the NHS.


Motorbiker		...	16-01-2014 @ 10:54
Member 4115, 1247 posts SQ 195, BP 140, DL 220 555.0 kgs @ 82.5kgs UnEq	slimsim said: Reading about him not having medical insurance makes me so thankful that we have the NHS. Yea but people have already raised over $180k for him. So the lesson is, save money by not getting insurance and others will pay for you when you get injured...

Funky_monkey		...	16-01-2014 @ 11:13
403 forbidden message Member 160, 5121 posts SQ 190, BP 137.5, DL 225 552.5 kgs @ 86kgs UnEq	Motorbiker said: Yea but people have already raised over $180k for him. So the lesson is, save money by not getting insurance and others will pay for you when you get injured... Get injured without insurance. Insurance will only pay out a certain amount. You'll get enough to retire with adequate marketing.

CJR		...	16-01-2014 @ 11:28
Member 4145, 1331 posts SQ 172.5, BP 115, DL 220 507.5 kgs @ 100.4kgs UnEq	Marc_Wells said: Crossfit isnt too bad in some ways but there are a few things which are just plain crazy, like atlas stone squats, where you have to shoulder a stone, roll it to the back of your neck and squat. What happens if you fall foward, going to be hard to get out of the way of that stone! Wtf, I've never seen that event! Sounds ridiculous.

tz1127		...	16-01-2014 @ 11:28
Member 1419, 2281 posts SQ 175, BP 105, DL 240 520.0 kgs @ 82kgs UnEq	Motorbiker said: Yea but people have already raised over $180k for him. So the lesson is, save money by not getting insurance and others will pay for you when you get injured... The guy is paraplegic for life now with a severed spine. To be fair I don't think $180k will cover his long term health care etc, so the guy is quite phucked....

tz1127		...	16-01-2014 @ 11:40
Member 1419, 2281 posts SQ 175, BP 105, DL 240 520.0 kgs @ 82kgs UnEq	Post Edited: 16.01.2014 @ 11:40 AM by tz1127 here's the video - looks like the bar bounced off the plates behind him... Seems like a dangerous setup with the lack of space to dump etc

slimsim		...	16-01-2014 @ 11:59
My asshole is not watertight. Member 2926, 6050 posts SQ 217.5, BP 107.5, DL 225 550.0 kgs @ 86kgs UnEq	Motorbiker said: Yea but people have already raised over $180k for him. So the lesson is, save money by not getting insurance and others will pay for you when you get injured... How much would spinal surgery cost? I wouldn't be surprised if this spunked half that money. Then time spent in hospital, physio costs, general care costs. I reckon that money would be gone within a few months. People are unlikely to donate time after time after time to cover ongoing lifelong costs. Funky_monkey said: Get injured without insurance. Insurance will only pay out a certain amount. You'll get enough to retire with adequate marketing. Since American doesn't have a national health service in the way that we do, I would imagine their medical insurance provides cover in a more similar way to travel insurance policies provide medical expenses cover outside of the UK, rather than how private medical insurance plans provide it. This would likely mean that the cover has liability levels running into the £1,000,000's. It's unlikely that he could market his story this effectively. In addition to this, he's unlikely to have any form of long term income protection cover in place so if he can't return to work he will have no discernible income, aside from state handouts, forever more. He will then have to rely on a minimum state pension since he won't have been able to make any voluntary personal pension payments. Unless he manages so make a full recovery this guy is f**ked!!! Saying you shouldn't bother with insurance or you could replace the need for insurance with clever marketing of a sad story is both ridiculous and crass.

AndyCoupe		...	16-01-2014 @ 12:03
His levers get the bar up. Member 2919, 8635 posts SQ 195, BP 127.5, DL 225 547.5 kgs @ 77kgs UnEq	Looking at the vid he's very unlucky. Doesn't look like a back breaking accident.

Mark		...	16-01-2014 @ 12:05
Member. Member 2171, 1612 posts	Marc_Wells said: like atlas stone squats, where you have to shoulder a stone, roll it to the back of your neck and squat. What happens if you fall foward, going to be hard to get out of the way of that stone! atlas stone squats? muppets.

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