Squatting - negative only
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| shaunclegg |  | Squatting - negative only | 11-01-2013 @ 00:19 |
 The official olympic weightlifter of SB (juniors) Member 495, 3531 posts SQ 201, BP 137.5, DL 200538.5 kgs @ 69kgs UnEq | so i had a discussion with two of my brothers. one of my brothers said doing 110% negative squats with the help of 3 spotters (one either side and one in the middle) with you just squatting down slowly then helping the spotters help you back up may help increase your PB squat. now one of my brothers said it could work one said he wasn't sure and i said i don't think it would.. to be clear all you are doing is taking the weight much more than your best and squatting down (negative) then the spotters helping you stand up. i.e my PB is 210 so that would be with 232.5ish views? | ||
| youngy | | ... | 11-01-2013 @ 00:40 |
 crushed the generals chance of 6th place Member 588, 5477 posts SQ 200, BP 100, DL 200500.0 kgs @ 84kgs UnEq | Post Edited: 11.01.2013 @ 00:41 AM by youngy It may work but it is a f**king ballache for the spotters. | ||
| drew | | ... | 11-01-2013 @ 01:03 |
 I thought Joplin choked on a sandwich? Member 616, 8404 posts SQ 180, BP 130, DL 220530.0 kgs @ 78.8kgs UnEq | In my mind i think Does it work on other lifts? Bench is the obvious one, every chest and bis bro going does forced reps on the bench but does intentionally heavy negatives work? I have a feeling it would although never tried it If it does then I don't see why it wouldn't for squats but as youngy says its just more faff to figure out | ||
| danbaseley | | ... | 11-01-2013 @ 01:04 |
 A member for 10 years and still no mouldy peanuts Member 1252, 4481 posts SQ 160, BP 110, DL 215485.0 kgs @ 98kgs UnEq | I suppose it's bit like a reverse band squat - the only problem being you can't regulate how much your spotters are putting in on the way up? | ||
| WaterfieId | | ... | 11-01-2013 @ 01:12 |
Member 4114, 355 posts | Post Edited: 11.01.2013 @ 01:12 AM by WaterfieId Last paragraph...yeah yeah, I know I know, wikipedia blah blah.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscle_contraction#Eccentric_cont... There's got to be someone out there who's tried it tbh. | ||
| ItsaSecret | | ... | 11-01-2013 @ 01:13 |
close to being re-banned Member 3955, 822 posts SQ 200, BP 160, DL 250610.0 kgs @ 110kgs UnEq | why dont u just squat and progress in weight each week | ||
| herman | | ... | 11-01-2013 @ 01:58 |
 hermit Member 3904, 988 posts | There are people that build complicated rigs/apparatus for this sort of thing. Things that load up with excess weight on the negative but it comes off on the ascent. This is one of those areas that has not been fully explored due to the ballache of it all. But I am sure there are productive elements in the method. Just like isometrics. | ||
| tz1127 | | ... | 11-01-2013 @ 06:07 |
 Member 1419, 2281 posts SQ 175, BP 105, DL 240520.0 kgs @ 82kgs UnEq | |||
| tz1127 | | ... | 11-01-2013 @ 06:10 |
Member 1419, 2281 posts SQ 175, BP 105, DL 240520.0 kgs @ 82kgs UnEq | Here's a negative only squat | ||
| 1369phil | | ... | 11-01-2013 @ 11:41 |
 doesnt work hard enough in the gym Member 1492, 2138 posts SQ 170, BP 145, DL 195510.0 kgs @ 112kgs UnEq | Arthur Jones of Nautilus fame did a lot of stuff on this - generally with this machines - there was talk of some stupid numbers being done on his pullover machine by some guys, as a negative only. My understanding is that negative training is good for hypertrophy (gainz) but the carryover is not as significant for the positive portion. The use of a barbell (as opposed to a fixed plane, machine movement) also massively increases the risk of injury - which would be the main downfall. Those weight releaser things (that are loaded and then dump a load of weight at the bottom of the movement) would seem to be a good way forward to try this, but would limit you to one rep with the heavier load. The idea of confidently lowering a heavier weight sounds good for positioning and strengthening - plus the lure of all kinds of gainz. | ||
| Wiegieboard | | ... | 11-01-2013 @ 11:46 |
 as crimson as my last victims underclothing..... Member 899, 11330 posts SQ 180, BP 132.5, DL 190502.5 kgs @ 118kgs UnEq | It would help the negative portion of the squat in my mind at least, and being used to super heavy weight, the descent of a normal max would become super confident. | ||
| 1369phil | | ... | 11-01-2013 @ 11:47 |
doesnt work hard enough in the gym Member 1492, 2138 posts SQ 170, BP 145, DL 195510.0 kgs @ 112kgs UnEq | Post Edited: 11.01.2013 @ 11:48 AM by 1369phil This got me thinking - so with Google as my friend this was discussed on another forum - Here is a thought. A hook like the ones to hang a bicycle in the garage, a chain, and a rope for each side of the bar. The chain holds the additional weight and attaches to one end of the hook. The hook goes over the bar of course, and then the rope goes from the top of the hook to the top of the power cage. Adjust the length of the rope so that when you get to the bottom position, the hooks will be pulled off of the bar. You might have to play with things or even use a mini-band to keep the hooks from re-engaging the bar on the way back up, but I'm thinking that this might work and you could throw all the stuff in your bag. It would not necessarily need to be chains that get released - some weight on hooks on a bar with rope set to length ..... hmmm, thinking !! | ||
| Steve | | ... | 11-01-2013 @ 11:54 |
nothing to hide, please follow my life on webcam Member 255, 3732 posts | Even if it improved your squat, this might not mean your clean would go automatically improve. | ||
| dr_hazbun | | ... | 11-01-2013 @ 11:59 |
tabbouleh and fattoush salads were very refreshing Member 267, 8548 posts SQ 220, BP 165, DL 250635.0 kgs @ 90kgs Eq | 1369phil said:Arthur Jones of Nautilus fame did a lot of stuff on this - generally with this machines - there was talk of some stupid numbers being done on his pullover machine by some guys, as a negative only. Yeah, he was a big fan but for bodybuilding purposes. He claims to have trained Casey Viator this way. HIT routines that involve doing one set to failure, then going 'beyond failure' with forced reps, then even further with negative only reps. He was a big fan of doing negative only weighted chins and dips with long (30sec) negatives. I'm not sure about it all tbh, esp for the strength athlete. | ||
| milsy | | ... | 11-01-2013 @ 12:00 |
 Ne n coner a fuickex .ay ouse part we .be Member 1425, 4647 posts SQ 340, BP 227.5, DL 335902.5 kgs @ 125kgs UnEq | im using it on my bench training at the momment but using submax wieghts its crazy how hard it is when done right I did 3x3x140 other night and it was harder than actually pressing it for reps by the third rep on each set my legs were shaking like they would on a max effort bench I dont think it would work for how you squat tho shaun but I could see it working with a powerlifitng style squat | ||