Why Weightlifting Changed to the 1kg Rule !

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MarkClegg		Why Weightlifting Changed to the 1kg Rule !	24-06-2013 @ 10:18
knock knock !! who's there ?? OLD SCHOOL SUGDEN Member 212, 11439 posts SQ 325, BP 212.5, DL 370 907.5 kgs @ 100kgs UnEq	Right Gentlemen .. I still feel aggrieved about a situation that happened in the recent IPF Classic World Champs In the Junior 93kg division ... Before i get on to that i want to tell you about the World Weightlifting Champs in 1999 77kg class where a strange situation arisen - Watch the following video - 15min:30secs - 18min:30secs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRjUokOSlh0 Many strange things happen here .. 1- Razvan lifts in the "B" group earlier in the day and snatches a new "World Record" of 170kg .. Plamen then lifts in the televised "A" Group and also snatches 170kg but is heavier so gets a lower medal but then Khakatur comes out and Snatches a "NEW" "World Record" of 170.5kg but is also heavier than Razvan so finishes in Silver medal position because everybody knows the 0.5kg is NOT counted towards the competition .. Only 2.5kg increments are counted towards the total .. Final positions are this - Gold - Razvan 170kg Silver - Khakatur 170.5kg "World Record" Bronze - Plamen 170kg Strange i think you`ll agree and as David Morgan says in the "VT" Very hard to explain to the Layman .. BUT you have to agree on a minimum increment other wise it would be carnage !!! If anything counted towards the total then what would stop someone going for 170.0005 (Hang a sock on the end of the bar) !! So recently Weightlifting did 2 things 1- Scrapped the 2.5kg increment rule and replaced in with the 1kg rule .. 2- Scrapped the 0.5kg record rule altogether ! Weightlifting is now far better and easier to understand to everybody .. Back to the IPF Classic - As i understand it you have to jump 2.5kg between attempts in Powerlifting "NO" ? as Ian Bell comes up for his last Deadlift he goes for 315.5kg Deadlift and succeeds they then count the 0.5kg towards his total and he is awarded Gold ?? I find this very hard to except . Maybe Kunik would of liked to go 266kg on the Squat or 185.5kg on the bench ??? I think i`m correct in saying that wouldn`t of been allowed ?? Bell Ian - 1992 - USA - 92,0 - 270,0 - 150,0 - 315,5 - 735,5 Kunik Viktor - 1991 - UKR - 91,55 - 265,0 - 185,0 - 285,0 - 735,0 Answers on a Postcard ???

brownbear		...	24-06-2013 @ 10:26
Morrisons - rump - 7£ Member 2206, 11578 posts SQ 228, BP 150, DL 260 638.0 kgs @ 98kgs UnEq	You're right mark, seems ridiculous!

fong		...	24-06-2013 @ 10:36
really really interesting Member 3474, 2816 posts SQ 170, BP 120, DL 260 550.0 kgs @ 100kgs UnEq	Post Edited: 24.06.2013 @ 10:43 AM by fong Pointless increment, agreed. What's the error on eleiko plates anyway? Edit: Just checked, eleiko say no more than a 0.1% error, meaning that 315.5kg dead lift could have been off by up 315.5g anyway lol. I know on the day they use the same plates but for a World Record, the error on another day nearly beats it alone if we count 0.5kg increments lol.

brownbear		...	24-06-2013 @ 10:41
Morrisons - rump - 7£ Member 2206, 11578 posts SQ 228, BP 150, DL 260 638.0 kgs @ 98kgs UnEq	fong said:Pointless increment, agreed. What's the error on eleiko plates anyway? 7mg

youngy		...	24-06-2013 @ 10:41
crushed the generals chance of 6th place Member 588, 5477 posts SQ 200, BP 100, DL 200 500.0 kgs @ 84kgs UnEq	brownbear said: 7mg

fong		...	24-06-2013 @ 10:44
really really interesting Member 3474, 2816 posts SQ 170, BP 120, DL 260 550.0 kgs @ 100kgs UnEq	brownbear said: 7mg Lol

youngy		...	24-06-2013 @ 10:48
crushed the generals chance of 6th place Member 588, 5477 posts SQ 200, BP 100, DL 200 500.0 kgs @ 84kgs UnEq	It is bizarre! I thought 2.5kg was the standard smallest increment and I think it is appropriate for Powerlifting. When I first competed in Weightlifting I was confused with the 1kg rule but it seems to work very well and makes for a more exciting competition. Powerlifters should stick to 2.5kg or change to the 1kg rule and be done with it. The 0.5 world record thing is f**king stupid!


fong		...	24-06-2013 @ 10:50
really really interesting Member 3474, 2816 posts SQ 170, BP 120, DL 260 550.0 kgs @ 100kgs UnEq	Post Edited: 24.06.2013 @ 10:54 AM by fong I said:Pointless increment, agreed. What's the error on eleiko plates anyway? Edit: Just checked, eleiko say no more than a 0.1% error, meaning that 315.5kg dead lift could have been off by up 315.5g anyway lol. I know on the day they use the same plates but for a World Record, the error on another day nearly beats it alone if we count 0.5kg increments lol. Also just noticed that it's +0.1% and -0.05%, meaning at extreme scenarios, the total differene between two 'identical' lifts of 315.5kg completed in two different places could actually be 473.25g. A unlikely scenario at best, but still, world standard competitions should be able to avoid this by incorporating said 1-2.5kg increments. Ya I'm bored today.

JackRevans		...	24-06-2013 @ 10:51
'There was also a sausage in my mouth.' Member 2477, 16481 posts SQ 190, BP 130, DL 235 555.0 kgs @ 83kgs UnEq	I need someone who has experience working with children to explain this to me.

Fatpete		...	24-06-2013 @ 11:28
Hyper obese Pete Member 70, 17898 posts SQ 322.5, BP 205, DL 300 827.5 kgs @ 133kgs Eq	MarkClegg said: Back to the IPF Classic - As i understand it you have to jump 2.5kg between attempts in Powerlifting "NO" ? as Ian Bell comes up for his last Deadlift he goes for 315.5kg Deadlift and succeeds they then count the 0.5kg towards his total and he is awarded Gold ?? I find this very hard to except . Maybe Kunik would of liked to go 266kg on the Squat or 185.5kg on the bench ??? I think i`m correct in saying that wouldn`t of been allowed ?? Bell Ian - 1992 - USA - 92,0 - 270,0 - 150,0 - 315,5 - 735,5 Kunik Viktor - 1991 - UKR - 91,55 - 265,0 - 185,0 - 285,0 - 735,0 Answers on a Postcard ??? http://www.powerlifting-ipf.com/fileadmin/data/Technical_Rules... Page 27 item 4 It would appear that 2.5 kilo increments are standard in powerlifting except when attempting records in that case 0.5 is the minimum increment allowed. If successful this counts as an individual lift and towards the total. So if that 315.5 deadlift was a record but the 266 squat or the 185.5 bench were not, then all appears to be in order.

MarkClegg		...	24-06-2013 @ 12:00
knock knock !! who's there ?? OLD SCHOOL SUGDEN Member 212, 11439 posts SQ 325, BP 212.5, DL 370 907.5 kgs @ 100kgs UnEq	Pete - You are quoting the rule book though I'm trying to discus logic .. Referees in BWLA do this all the time when an elbow brushes a knee or there is a very slight press out . They quote the rules to you . If the bosses at Apple had this attitude we'd all still be wanking at the underwear section of the catalogue instead of IPhones "porn anywhere anytime" app I don't think it's fair .

BigMacca		...	24-06-2013 @ 12:12
understanding of the sport, little he has. Member 798, 9943 posts SQ 260, BP 150, DL 272.5 682.5 kgs @ 82.5kgs UnEq	I didn't realise this... In the other fed I lifted in, only 2.5kg increments counted towards your total. So you could squat a new world record of 271kg but you would only be awarded 270kg on your total.

Fatpete		...	24-06-2013 @ 12:14
Hyper obese Pete Member 70, 17898 posts SQ 322.5, BP 205, DL 300 827.5 kgs @ 133kgs Eq	MarkClegg said:Pete - You are quoting the rule book though I'm trying to discus logic .. Ah, I see. My apologies for misunderstanding. I agree with you then. I always thought that if a record attempt were made in a comp then it counted as an individual lift but it did not count towards the total. So if a record were 322.5, and the lifter did 323, 323 becomes the new record but only 322.5 of it goes toward your total. That seems fairer to me. However my dear departed friend and coach once told me that the lifting sports were run by buffoons and few rules made much sense, and that there were far too many of them. However this was as true in his day as it is now he assured me. So if it hasn't changed yet then it probably never will. If you rebel against it you will spend a lot of time banging your head against a brick wall and ultimately the wall will win. His advice was to roll with the punches and go with the flow, just accept it for what it is, ensure you are always aware of all the rules and just get on with it. It may not be right but your life will be a lot easier. I consider that to be very sage advice. You are a good man Mr.Clegg and your heart is pure, but if you don't care too much, they can't hurt you.

MrSmall		...	24-06-2013 @ 12:50
Gone and easily forgotten....... Member 331, 22298 posts SQ 185, BP 100, DL 230 515.0 kgs @ 85kgs UnEq	this 2.5 rule of old made no sense to me. So you lift 170.5, 171, 171.5, 172 for a world record and you are only counted for 170, why? The weight was lifted. Because its inconvenient to count? 1kg and whatever you lift added up makes much more sense.

LukeC		...	24-06-2013 @ 19:39
The one in the guns and roses teeshirt. Member 171, 2462 posts SQ 272.5, BP 140, DL 245 657.5 kgs @ 80.2kgs Eq	BigMacca said:I didn't realise this... In the other fed I lifted in, only 2.5kg increments counted towards your total. So you could squat a new world record of 271kg but you would only be awarded 270kg on your total. This is the case in the WPC too, as Andy B once found out to his misfortune (Im sure he wouldn't want to be reminded of that though!).

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