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| IainKendrick |  | ... | 11-10-2013 @ 13:27 |
 some nice relaxing jazz. Member 77, 12599 posts SQ 265, BP 165, DL 280710.0 kgs @ 93kgs UnEq | George_Winston said: But how do you know if you got better at pull ups other things wouldnt go up? Im not saying if you get better at pull ups your dl will go up 20kg, but if your lats were that weak to begin with any then get alot stronger surely it would help something, any weakness should be addressed regardless of how good you are already Why should 'they' go up? If your lats are weak during deadlifting then the deadlifts will train them in a much more specific way then pull ups would. I have nothing against pull ups. Doing a course of them atm. However I would bot worry about being rubbish at them. Pull up strength, I feel, is not going to assess a limiting factor in the performance if the deadlift. | ||
| dannyboy73 | | ... | 11-10-2013 @ 14:41 |
Mask it or Casket !! Member 4600, 8166 posts SQ 240, BP 162.5, DL 255657.5 kgs @ 90.5kgs UnEq | Not sure, he proberably avoids chins as they dont help with strength. However, I do know that he built his amazing pushing strenght by doing dips! Wayne_Cowdrey said:I wonder how many chins Glenn could do when he was at his heaviest? | ||
| Thing | | ... | 11-10-2013 @ 14:46 |
 a large fingered spastic that demolishes plant Member 89, 31706 posts SQ 260, BP 220, DL 290770.0 kgs @ 142kgs UnEq | do i need to do chinups?? i dont thing so as my pressing isnt to bad and my deadlift is getting better without training them. i think having a stronger back could well help stability on bench or OH pressing but you can train them in other ways. | ||
| dannyboy73 | | ... | 11-10-2013 @ 14:52 |
Mask it or Casket !! Member 4600, 8166 posts SQ 240, BP 162.5, DL 255657.5 kgs @ 90.5kgs UnEq | Post Edited: 11.10.2013 @ 14:53 PM by dannyboy73 Agree.I only do chins every 3 or 4 weeks as they are a nice change as a grip exercise for me. ie I do 30 reps then hang, then add weight and go for low reps and hang after. Thing said:do i need to do chinups?? i dont thing so as my pressing isnt to bad and my deadlift is getting better without training them. i think having a stronger back could well help stability on bench or OH pressing but you can train them in other ways. using a scaffold bar to chin on as well- this helps my grip. | ||
| Simeon | | ... | 11-10-2013 @ 14:58 |
 tight in the hole Member 2057, 3121 posts SQ 205, BP 140, DL 260605.0 kgs @ 95kgs UnEq | IainKendrick said: Why should 'they' go up? If your lats are weak during deadlifting then the deadlifts will train them in a much more specific way then pull ups would. I have nothing against pull ups. Doing a course of them atm. However I would bot worry about being rubbish at them. Pull up strength, I feel, is not going to assess a limiting factor in the performance if the deadlift. So you don't believe in accessory work to improve the core lifts then? | ||
| ben66 | | ... | 11-10-2013 @ 15:52 |
 Why get fat to look big? Member 1330, 4797 posts SQ 300, BP 200, DL 305805.0 kgs @ 107kgs UnEq | I think chins are a good idea if you aim to be a well rounded strength athlete, besides, surely a 'strongman' by definition, should be strong enough to do them? I do them fairly regularly, though TBH I don't think they've much obvious carry over to other things (other than pulling yourself up). More of just an overall 'builder' exercise. | ||
| martinb | | ... | 11-10-2013 @ 15:59 |
 Grass fed Member 1147, 7710 posts SQ 220, BP 185, DL 272.5677.5 kgs @ 113kgs UnEq | ben66 said:I think chins are a good idea if you aim to be a well rounded strength athlete, besides, surely a 'strongman' by definition, should be strong enough to do them? I do them fairly regularly, though TBH I don't think they've much obvious carry over to other things (other than pulling yourself up). More of just an overall 'builder' exercise. Once again you talk the truth All these people not doing something because it won't specifically improve one of the powerlifts confuse me no end I want to be strong, every way | ||
| drew | | ... | 11-10-2013 @ 16:13 |
 I thought Joplin choked on a sandwich? Member 616, 8404 posts SQ 180, BP 130, DL 220530.0 kgs @ 78.8kgs UnEq | martinb said: Once again you talk the truth All these people not doing something because it won't specifically improve one of the powerlifts confuse me no end I want to be strong, every way It might not be the best accessory for squats. Thing is though how will it harm? (Prev Injury aside) ive got heat on here for believing every man should be able to do them. If your 200kg you should be able to 1 at bw. terry has shown you can be a big guy and do them, with weight too. If its good enough for britains best strongman..... | ||
| dannyboy73 | | ... | 11-10-2013 @ 16:25 |
Mask it or Casket !! Member 4600, 8166 posts SQ 240, BP 162.5, DL 255657.5 kgs @ 90.5kgs UnEq | Post Edited: 11.10.2013 @ 16:27 PM by dannyboy73 Mr Willow.I think that what some of us are really saying is that chin ups should be done as a sup exer only after bentover stuff, goodmornings hyperextensions etc. Moreover, to build strength, its not a priority exercise. The harm is leaving out bent overs because youve done chins instead! Or thinking they could replace hypers or goodmornings. Tht is if your intereseted in strength as a priority. drew said: It might not be the best accessory for squats. Thing is though how will it harm? (Prev Injury aside) ive got heat on here for believing every man should be able to do them. If your 200kg you should be able to 1 at bw. terry has shown you can be a big guy and do them, with weight too. If its good enough for britains best strongman..... By the way, youve been doing some excellent eating receintley Willow, ready for the winter Im sure. Ive been on the cheescake again. | ||
| Rico | | ... | 11-10-2013 @ 18:53 |
 Sugdens very own David Dimbleby Member 1403, 3716 posts SQ 220, BP 115, DL 260595.0 kgs @ 97kgs UnEq | Its a compound exercise right? All the 'legendary' trainers Rippetoe, Wendler et al. preach about getting strong at the compound lifts. I like chins as i see them as a new challenge and don't load the lower back so that it can stay relatively fresh for when its actually needed. Peace. | ||
| big_mike | | ... | 11-10-2013 @ 22:10 |
Member 2723, 243 posts SQ 290, BP 200, DL 320810.0 kgs @ 120kgs UnEq | Im 105kg and can do a couple of sets of 20 but I'm still lacking back width. I'd rather spend my time deadlifting and rowing | ||
| AdamT | | ... | 11-10-2013 @ 22:36 |
AKA the great reset Member 4056, 5207 posts | Rico said:Its a compound exercise right? All the 'legendary' trainers Rippetoe, Wendler et al. preach about getting strong at the compound lifts. I like chins as i see them as a new challenge and don't load the lower back so that it can stay relatively fresh for when its actually needed. Peace. Good post. Even if physique isn't anyone's number one goal, surely pullups would help widen the back and add a nice bit of muscle there too. | ||
| LessThanLuke | | ... | 11-10-2013 @ 22:42 |
 his poor male ego must be crushed Member 883, 6251 posts SQ 290, BP 180, DL 420890.0 kgs @ 105kgs UnEq | It takes a few minutes to add some pull ups in. Don't see why you wouldn't do them. | ||
| herman | | ... | 12-10-2013 @ 18:28 |
 hermit Member 3904, 988 posts | Even if the pull ups add no useful strength or bulk whatsoever, they are an excellent stretch, both for the muscles and skeletal structures. I used to suffer (and technically still do) with crippling spine pain, but just have to do pull ups ocassionally to keep things in order. They help to decompress the spine, and remedy alignment problems - which cause the pain. Being alive under gravity, then doing s**t like squatz and deadz all compress the spine, pull ups or mere dangling go a long way to remedy this in a gentle manner. | ||
| George_Winston | | ... | 12-10-2013 @ 18:51 |
 The Crossfit KingPin Member 941, 1810 posts SQ 230, BP 130, DL 285645.0 kgs @ 100kgs UnEq | IainKendrick said: Why should 'they' go up? If your lats are weak during deadlifting then the deadlifts will train them in a much more specific way then pull ups would. I have nothing against pull ups. Doing a course of them atm. However I would bot worry about being rubbish at them. Pull up strength, I feel, is not going to assess a limiting factor in the performance if the deadlift. So no one should do any assistant work as the actualy movement will train the weakness better.... Im not saying to stop deadlifting, but added pull ups can only help overload the lats, as luke said a few posts up they dont takr long. I dont know what youre trying to say | ||