| LeedsMiniPower | ... | 08-06-2015 @ 12:21 | |
Getting fat is just as dumb as using PED's Member 3387, 2532 posts SQ 275, BP 200, DL 290765.0 kgs @ 114kgs UnEq | Surely when anyone dies it's tragic? Whilst people may be aware of the risks how many people actually think they will die. | ||
| slimsim | ... | 08-06-2015 @ 12:23 | |
My asshole is not watertight. Member 2926, 6051 posts SQ 217.5, BP 107.5, DL 225550.0 kgs @ 86kgs UnEq | AaronJ said:Are bodybuilders more selfish than soldiers? YES! A bloody soldier is putting their live on the line for the sake of keeping other people safe. A BBer is potentially putting their life on the line for the sake of a little trophy. | ||
| AaronJ | ... | 08-06-2015 @ 12:24 | |
Intolerant of old shtick. Member 5276, 431 posts SQ 222, BP 145, DL 265632.0 kgs @ 96kgs UnEq | slimsim said: I think there's several other aspects to the selfish element. When BBing I would extremely rigid in terms of both eating and training, very rarely being willing to miss a gym session (which involved 4 weights sessions/week and 7/low intensity cardio sessions/week when dieting) and pretty much NEVER being willing to miss a meal so both mine and the ex-wifes lives revolved around MY training. Hardly conducive to a mutually respectful relationship! When I was dieting for a comp I'd be a downright miserable t**t for probably the last 8-weeks at least. I literally wouldn't speak to her other than the odd grunt, wouldn't have the energy to do any jobs around the house or anything other than go to the gym and sort my own meals out. She didn't ask to sign up for that as I wasn't actually competing when we first met. I'd be amazed if most other sportspeople are quite this bad and I wasn't unusual in my attitude/demeanor compared to other competitive BBers I know/knew. If you weren't competing when you first met then that's different IMO, and at that point probably more thought should have gone towards her. Same if you have kids etc. If you made a choice to have kids, you need to deal with the consequences, and dying and leaving the kids to fend for themselves isn't a valid choice IMO. On the other hand, if you were competing when the wife met you, then it was her choice to marry into that. | ||
| AaronJ | ... | 08-06-2015 @ 12:26 | |
Intolerant of old shtick. Member 5276, 431 posts SQ 222, BP 145, DL 265632.0 kgs @ 96kgs UnEq | slimsim said: YES! A bloody soldier is putting their live on the line for the sake of keeping other people safe. A BBer is potentially putting their life on the line for the sake of a little trophy. This is a bit more of a philosophical conversation I suppose. It goes back to the purpose of life, and the need for one person to keep another safe/sacrifice their life for them. What makes the lives of the people back home any more important than the soldiers? Why is their pleasure more important than his? I think I've been reading too much Ayn Rand lately lol. Probably time to back out of this thread quietly | ||
| slimsim | ... | 08-06-2015 @ 12:29 | |
My asshole is not watertight. Member 2926, 6051 posts SQ 217.5, BP 107.5, DL 225550.0 kgs @ 86kgs UnEq | AaronJ said: If you weren't competing when you first met then that's different IMO, and at that point probably more thought should have gone towards her. That's the point though, isn't it. More thought should have gone towards her but it didn't because of the very selfish and all consuming nature of BBing. | ||
| Robbo | ... | 08-06-2015 @ 12:46 | |
When I have enough cash, I get a deep tissue. Member 465, 11029 posts SQ 240, BP 175, DL 302.5717.5 kgs @ 104kgs UnEq | Post Edited: 08.06.2015 @ 12:50 PM by Robbo AaronJ said: Maybe I see things differently. As far as I'm concerned, if someone I don't hold dear to me decides to pursue a life choice that ultimately ends in their death (which was always a potential risk) then that's not tragic, it's just a part of life. Are bodybuilders more selfish than soldiers? No they are not more selfish than soldiers But the wives and girlfriends who choose to be with these bodybuilders don't necessarily know the risks, as many of the bodybuilders themselves don't even know the risks. But you can hardly call a soldier selfish really I mean they fight for our country. So yeah actually, bb are way more selfish | ||
| walker | ... | 08-06-2015 @ 12:54 | |
Does not need Advice, knows everything. Member 3505, 3510 posts SQ 295, BP 182.5, DL 290767.5 kgs @ 105kgs Eq | slimsim said: I think there's several other aspects to the selfish element. When BBing I would extremely rigid in terms of both eating and training, very rarely being willing to miss a gym session (which involved 4 weights sessions/week and 7/low intensity cardio sessions/week when dieting) and pretty much NEVER being willing to miss a meal so both mine and the ex-wifes lives revolved around MY training. Hardly conducive to a mutually respectful relationship! When I was dieting for a comp I'd be a downright miserable t**t for probably the last 8-weeks at least. I literally wouldn't speak to her other than the odd grunt, wouldn't have the energy to do any jobs around the house or anything other than go to the gym and sort my own meals out. She didn't ask to sign up for that as I wasn't actually competing when we first met. I'd be amazed if most other sportspeople are quite this bad and I wasn't unusual in my attitude/demeanor compared to other competitive BBers I know/knew. That would be ok if you were doing it for a living.. But for a hobby not great | ||
| AaronJ | ... | 08-06-2015 @ 13:04 | |
Intolerant of old shtick. Member 5276, 431 posts SQ 222, BP 145, DL 265632.0 kgs @ 96kgs UnEq | Robbo said: But the wives and girlfriends who choose to be with these bodybuilders don't necessarily know the risks, as many of the bodybuilders themselves don't even know the risks. That's an interesting point. I guess it's difficult to quantify what that risk is, given the different nature of various drugs, and different physical reactions to those drugs. | ||
| WILLSAN | ... | 08-06-2015 @ 14:29 | |
Trump will get another four years Member 126, 16708 posts SQ 160, BP 110, DL 225495.0 kgs @ 75kgs UnEq | Boar said:on a personal level, im delighted to be well out of the game and feel bad for anyone caught in the trap of having to keep using to stay big and/or strong Good fun while it lasts though I wish more would be as open and honest as this. I have had many private conversations along these lines which helped me make the decision never to go down that path. not many people are willing to post openly about it though. | ||
| Steve | ... | 08-06-2015 @ 14:46 | |
nothing to hide, please follow my life on webcam Member 255, 3732 posts | PaulSavage said: Could be right on flex and prince, dont know but yates has indeed been 250lb+ ripped, theres a bunch of vids online of him training / stating his weight, even of him weighing. Keep in mind he's not one of those 5'5 bodybuilders with the tiny frame. Seen him at expo couple times, was like 260 something and he lifts up his shirt and looked like was 5% lol Edit - ah, vid above 18 1/2 stone and maybe 5% bf at 5ft 10 and over 50 yrs old! Is that possible naturally or do old, ex bbrs feel the need to continue to "supplement" to maintain their size and if so what the long term effects are? | ||
| Ramsay777 | ... | 08-06-2015 @ 15:18 | |
Member 3942, 1107 posts SQ 200, BP 160, DL 315675.0 kgs @ 102kgs UnEq | Steve said: 18 1/2 stone and maybe 5% bf at 5ft 10 and over 50 yrs old! Is that possible naturally or do old, ex bbrs feel the need to continue to "supplement" to maintain their size and if so what the long term effects are? I would have thought that a lot of these guys would be on TRT, as their endocrine system's gonna be pretty shot up from years of abuse. | ||
| PaulSavage | ... | 08-06-2015 @ 15:25 | |
Member 2775, 6927 posts | Steve said: 18 1/2 stone and maybe 5% bf at 5ft 10 and over 50 yrs old! Is that possible naturally or do old, ex bbrs feel the need to continue to "supplement" to maintain their size and if so what the long term effects are? Well they may be on for expo's and things of that nature / i don't know if he was 5% or not but was proper ripped up. It depends what it is that's being taken and at what levels. If you are just raising what's already in your body to around what it was as a teenager for example, well then you managed that for years back then so why would a 3 month on 3-4 month off approach do any long term damage? I think the problem is people assume because the pro athletes are so muscular / strong that they take extreme levels, which is most definately not a given. You can look up what yates was taking, he's been very open with it and is not a lot. It may be different for some people but typically if you take really high doses of stuff all that's going to happen is you get side effects or worse side effects, and your natty levels go really low / to none existent. That's not going to help anything, you are literally spending more money to make yourself worse off. You have to factor in genetics, a lot of pro bodybuilders look awesome on nothing because of there genetics. Take kevin levrone, got tested in multiple ways during his transformation an ended up something like 225lb at 5%, cant remember but had 20" arms and was crazy ripped. That's genetics, he had an 18" lean with no training for several years. | ||
| AdamT | ... | 08-06-2015 @ 15:31 | |
AKA the great reset Member 4056, 5209 posts | I have no idea how much/ little gear strongmen or powerlifters use. I do however know a couple of aspiring bodybuilders and the amount of gear they use is no joke. Can't be healthy, not to mention the narcotics they use. | ||
| donnie | ... | 08-06-2015 @ 15:34 | |
Wee Donnie Member 5605, 450 posts | Ramsay777 said: I would have thought that a lot of these guys would be on TRT, as their endocrine system's gonna be pretty shot up from years of abuse. they are big misconception is just because they are not big anymore they are clear mr yates never ever stopped the drugs, just use smaller amount have in mind these guys have access to incredibly good drugs not like gym rats black market staff they have no natural production of test anymore, no synthetic test no man anymore actually in these sports using smaller dosages is considered as staying clean | ||
| unit94 | ... | 08-06-2015 @ 16:54 | |
what is everyone's fran time? Member 3986, 10452 posts SQ 340, BP 200, DL 400940.0 kgs @ 129kgs Eq | Lol at Yates not using a lot | ||