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RobboIconA deadlift question19-02-2019 @ 06:00 
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Started deadlifting again and been working hard on them to get my strength up again. Now the question I have is....

Does anyone find that working deadlifts hard has a detrimental effect on the rest of their training for the next few days/week?

I’ve found that my training suffers badly for the next 5-7 days and almost feel they’re counter productive to my training. Deadlifted last Monday and the rest of the week was a write off! Thursdays session I had to deload as I couldn’t do anything!

I understand the whole cns thing and like to think I know how to train effectively after so long but working deadlifts into my routine always seems tricky as it seems to ruin my strength levels for everything else for a while

Anyone else find this? If so, how do they work them into their training?
Wayne_CowdreyIcon...19-02-2019 @ 07:32 
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Yes! They really used to mess me up. When I was doing strongman I preferred to be squat focused and do some farmer's DLs. Later on, I got into fronties/zerchers.
WILLSANIcon...19-02-2019 @ 09:31 
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I do a 3 week cycle of heavy, medium, light. heavy knackers me. no idea how I used to manage training heavy every week. must be getting old!
LessThanLukeIcon...19-02-2019 @ 10:41 
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Yup. Pretty much why when I'm pushing for a deadlift PB or record everything else gets dropped.
RS86Icon...19-02-2019 @ 15:51 
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Robbo said:Started deadlifting again and been working hard on them to get my strength up again. Now the question I have is....

Does anyone find that working deadlifts hard has a detrimental effect on the rest of their training for the next few days/week?

I’ve found that my training suffers badly for the next 5-7 days and almost feel they’re counter productive to my training. Deadlifted last Monday and the rest of the week was a write off! Thursdays session I had to deload as I couldn’t do anything!

I understand the whole cns thing and like to think I know how to train effectively after so long but working deadlifts into my routine always seems tricky as it seems to ruin my strength levels for everything else for a while

Anyone else find this? If so, how do they work them into their training?
For me no, but I find squats do exactly that.
RobboIcon...20-02-2019 @ 11:17 
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Interesting others feel the same, thought it was because I was getting old!

Might try that system Will, and on the heavy week go light on the other stuff

Wayne, I find that works best for me too, keeping the squats in plenty and then being able to do the other stuff! Increasing squat seems to help deadlift for me to an extent anyway
JBIcon...20-02-2019 @ 13:14 
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always deadlifted on a friday then had the weekend to recover for squats on a Mon-tues
BigMaccaIcon...20-02-2019 @ 16:58 
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Tom Hibbert did a pretty good article on this recently;

https://www.winning-performance.uk/periodisation-for-the-deadlift/?...
KevC86Icon...20-02-2019 @ 19:05 
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If anyone doesn't find this to be true i would question their notion of "training deadlift hard".

A tough deadlift session is brutal, thats why mine tend to fall on a Friday so I've got the next day or two to rest.
DeanW92Icon...20-02-2019 @ 19:56 
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Too much volume kills me and find that worse than high % of 1rm. Although i tend to do stiff leg deads instead of regular deadlifts as a bit less stressful and good carryover.

People like pete rubbish and tom martin seem to go heavy very often, although they are exceptions maybe.
RS86Icon...26-02-2019 @ 11:24 
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KevC86 said:If anyone doesn't find this to be true i would question their notion of "training deadlift hard".

A tough deadlift session is brutal, thats why mine tend to fall on a Friday so I've got the next day or two to rest.
Have done sessions where I have worked up to 5+ reps at over 3x bodyweight and I personally don't find it to be the case. Deadlift is one of my strengths though so I'm probs not comparable to most. Magnusson/Ortmayer calculated off a 300kg max at under 90kg bodyweight was hard training IMO.

Squats on the other hand floor me, a hard squat session can leave me feeling ill to the extent I actually feel like I have a flu building up lol
BigMaccaIcon...26-02-2019 @ 13:53 
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RS86 said: Have done sessions where I have worked up to 5+ reps at over 3x bodyweight and I personally don't find it to be the case. Deadlift is one of my strengths though so I'm probs not comparable to most. Magnusson/Ortmayer calculated off a 300kg max at under 90kg bodyweight was hard training IMO.
Squats on the other hand floor me, a hard squat session can leave me feeling ill to the extent I actually feel like I have a flu building up lol

I also find heavy squat sessions harder than heavy deadlift sessions.

I think it's down to the fact I can squat heavy and when squatting, the load is constantly on your back throughout the entire set (just supporting the weight is a tough job for the low bar squatter).

Give me a max set of 5 on deads over squats any day of the week Happy - When I hit 275kg for 4 on squats a few months back it wiped me out for about 4 days (and I'm used to squatting and deadlifting twice a week!)
RS86Icon...26-02-2019 @ 14:15 
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BigMacca said:
I also find heavy squat sessions harder than heavy deadlift sessions.
I think it's down to the fact I can squat heavy and when squatting, the load is constantly on your back throughout the entire set (just supporting the weight is a tough job for the low bar squatter).
Give me a max set of 5 on deads over squats any day of the week Happy - When I hit 275kg for 4 on squats a few months back it wiped me out for about 4 days (and I'm used to squatting and deadlifting twice a week!)
Yeah I def think that has a massive bearing, your CNS is getting battered from the moment you unrack to rerack. For me it doesn't help that I am generally quite a weak squatter either haha
RobboIcon...26-02-2019 @ 19:47 
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Good link that Macca!
JackRevansIcon...02-04-2019 @ 14:04 
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I've been finding this to be a problem recently, which is strange because I never used to. For the past few weeks I've been going quite high volume conventional deadlifts which have included 1 set of AMRAP touch and go deadlifts.

The next day I'm way weaker than I should be.

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