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herman | ![]() | ... | 10-04-2014 @ 21:38 |
![]() hermit Member 3904, 988 posts | slimsim said: how all gear does is oxygenate your blood so that you can push yourself harder. Mightve been selling erythropoietin? | ||
simon_knowles | ![]() | ... | 10-04-2014 @ 23:18 |
![]() Member 2785, 205 posts SQ 300, BP 170, DL 335805.0 kgs @ 168kgs UnEq | id say overall the biggest problem is the rise of the curl bro. its seem as desirable now to have the abs biceps and chest, and like people have said, people don't want to put the work in. id bet a decent amount of money that steroid use is a lot higher i'm people using it for aesthetic reasons than it is in people using to give them a little more in their chosen sport. yes, steroids arent going to be great for you, however, as someone who sees all sides and aspects to it, as with anything like this, if you do your research, if you personally know your limits and if you have the self control to not keep dosing up and dosing up and dosing up (as a lot do) i cant see them as this demon drug that will kill you. also taxes. tax them at 80 odd percent and you'll be able to do as many as you like, even 50 years or so after its been proven theyll kill you slowly and horribly. | ||
Evis | ![]() | ... | 11-04-2014 @ 00:44 |
Member 2202, 346 posts SQ 282.5, BP 220, DL 320.5823.0 kgs @ 120kgs UnEq | Fazc said: In my mind it is a problem. Over blowing side effects and attributing deaths to steroids where the death clearly was not due to steroids is a huge problem. People do eventually find out the truth, or at the very least differing sides of the story. The internet is massive and we have many stories of people living well into old age and living well in their old age due to use. So when this information becomes known to people who otherwise saw steds as a killer, they find out the demonisation is largely politically motivated and/or scare mongering. This might lead them to experiment with use, it might lead them to completely go the other way and take massive amounts thinking that if it won't kill you, it's perfectly safe. Now I've never wanted to use steds personally but I have trained in commercial gyms for close to 15 years and I know guys who have used for that long consistently. Their health is fine. However knowing that, some younger guys may take that to mean they are completely safe and abuse them. So lies never help the situation. The pendulum inevitably swings just as heavily in the other direction. Sensationalism, scare mongering and outright lies never help a situation. Yeah I do agree that the truth is the best thing - not an exaggeration in any of the directions. I would like to say though, some people smoke and drink for 80 years and stay fine as well. It doesnt really say much. As for the guy comparing steroid-users to heavyweight natural powerlifters. There was actually a study on this very subject in my country (Norway) and it clearly showed a lot more problems for the long time bodybuilders they tested than the natty (but fat) powerlifters. | ||
LessThanLuke | ![]() | ... | 11-04-2014 @ 01:56 |
![]() his poor male ego must be crushed Member 883, 6251 posts SQ 290, BP 180, DL 420890.0 kgs @ 105kgs UnEq | Evis said: Yeah I do agree that the truth is the best thing - not an exaggeration in any of the directions. I would like to say though, some people smoke and drink for 80 years and stay fine as well. It doesnt really say much. As for the guy comparing steroid-users to heavyweight natural powerlifters. There was actually a study on this very subject in my country (Norway) and it clearly showed a lot more problems for the long time bodybuilders they tested than the natty (but fat) powerlifters. Bodybuilders use A LOT more gear than the average gym goer/sm. | ||
rhinoceros | ![]() | ... | 11-04-2014 @ 02:35 |
Member 5055, 95 posts SQ 180, BP 145, DL 220545.0 kgs @ 95kgs UnEq | Stay loose, no juice | ||
slimsim | ![]() | ... | 11-04-2014 @ 09:25 |
My asshole is not watertight. Member 2926, 6051 posts SQ 217.5, BP 107.5, DL 225550.0 kgs @ 86kgs UnEq | herman said: Mightve been selling erythropoietin? errr, I don't think your average gym goer is too interested in blood doping ![]() | ||
danbaseley | ![]() | ... | 11-04-2014 @ 10:15 |
![]() A member for 10 years and still no mouldy peanuts Member 1252, 4595 posts SQ 160, BP 120, DL 215495.0 kgs @ 98kgs UnEq | I am surprised and disheartened by the comments - and appearances - of many others there, who believe that PEDs are 100% necessary in order to even make it worthwhile going to the gym. Just recently I have heard the following from people around the age of 21: 1) "It's not worth going to the gym, if you are not on juice - you won't really be able to do anything." 2) A 21 year-old speaking to two 18 year-olds "I'm juiced off my nut - you want to start within the first 6 weeks of training." 3) "I had to make the decision between spending money on gear, or spending it on a holiday - obviously, I chose the gear." I think it is much more prevalent now than ever - and none of these people want to be the next Klokov, Shaw or Heath. They want to have a six-pack and pecs and look "nice" stood around the bar on a Saturday night. The gym I frequent is a higher end fitness gym in Cambridge; it is not Metroflex, by any means. | ||
aaron_lohan | ![]() | ... | 11-04-2014 @ 10:54 |
![]() Hasn't always been a bench press specialist Member 44, 1907 posts SQ 252.5, BP 220, DL 210682.5 kgs @ 83kgs Eq | Its quite prevalent in the area I live in, people start going to the gym and 3-4 weeks later start using steroids. I remember going on facebook and someone was asking for GH and Insulin, I thought to myself: he must have made some progress since I last saw him a year ago; 2 weeks later I saw him and he must have weighed about 80kg tops and that's being generous. The best conversation I had was this: Some guy: Ive started taking steds now, im taking tablets Me: what gym do you go to? Some guy: I don't go to the gym but I do press ups at night, about 50 to a 100. | ||
VinnyJones | ![]() | ... | 11-04-2014 @ 11:12 |
![]() Who said it's hardcore? Member 3896, 847 posts SQ 265, BP 150, DL 320735.0 kgs @ 128kgs UnEq | Does it really matter "when" a person starts using? A person who starts within the first 6 weeks of training but takes onboard advice, trains properly, eats right etc is by far a better example than someone who just decides to jump on after 10 years of pissing around and then puts in as much as possible. Too much talking about the extremities and exceptions to rules. Generally speaking, gear use in professional areas like football/rugby/baseball/American football is a huge business/science. The more advanced user is simply riding on the coat tails of some knowledge handed down by guys like Dan Duchaine and GH15 and, or, by reading clinical trials etc. The gym rat probably reads forums or gets word of mouth recommendations. The morons don't give a s**t either way. | ||
AdamT | ![]() | ... | 11-04-2014 @ 12:21 |
AKA the great reset Member 4056, 5209 posts | LessThanLuke said: Bodybuilders use A LOT more gear than the average gym goer/sm. That is a fact! | ||
Rodger | ![]() | ... | 11-04-2014 @ 12:49 |
![]() salad dodger *missing* Member 1805, 10367 posts SQ 215, BP 121, DL 240576.0 kgs @ 100kgs UnEq | I like this thread ![]() | ||
Harry | ![]() | ... | 11-04-2014 @ 13:49 |
I have sex with women Member 2122, 310 posts SQ 180, BP 135, DL 220535.0 kgs @ 98kgs UnEq | danbaseley said:I am surprised and disheartened by the comments - and appearances - of many others there, who believe that PEDs are 100% necessary in order to even make it worthwhile going to the gym. Just recently I have heard the following from people around the age of 21: 1) "It's not worth going to the gym, if you are not on juice - you won't really be able to do anything." 2) A 21 year-old speaking to two 18 year-olds "I'm juiced off my nut - you want to start within the first 6 weeks of training." 3) "I had to make the decision between spending money on gear, or spending it on a holiday - obviously, I chose the gear." I think it is much more prevalent now than ever - and none of these people want to be the next Klokov, Shaw or Heath. They want to have a six-pack and pecs and look "nice" stood around the bar on a Saturday night. The gym I frequent is a higher end fitness gym in Cambridge; it is not Metroflex, by any means. You know a lot of stupid people it seems. If people want to use them by all means they can, let them learn the good and the bad. I just spot these guys from a good distance and watch with amusement as they fail to pull anything decent. The T levels lead them to f**k absolute warpigs. ![]() ![]() | ||