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BuddhaIconOngoing discussion about forward lean09-12-2015 @ 23:52 
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I had a discussion about forward lean and my question is: are lifters with long legs and women damned to practice good mornings instead of skwats?

He did say that Sheikos opinion is wrong and that it's impossible for most lifters to squat with a upright torso. His opinion is basically that they have to do good mornings.
So i ask the hall of Sugden what is your opinion?



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WiegieboardIcon...10-12-2015 @ 00:20 
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Post Edited: 10.12.2015 @ 00:21 AM by Wiegieboard
My opinion.

It comes down to bone lengths and bodyweight distribution.

Simple engineering really.

If you want to squat more upright because you have s**t proportions, squat wider and do high bar.

The longer the back and shorter the femur, the more upright the squat.
Funky_monkeyIcon...10-12-2015 @ 00:33 
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Post Edited: 10.12.2015 @ 00:33 AM by Funky_monkey
What's the ball and socket joint of their hip look like? It's not one size fits all.
newhybridIcon...10-12-2015 @ 08:33 
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Post Edited: 10.12.2015 @ 08:34 AM by newhybrid
Buddha said:I had a discussion about forward lean and my question is: are lifters with long legs and women damned to practice good mornings instead of skwats?

He did say that Sheikos opinion is wrong and that it's impossible for most lifters to squat with a upright torso. His opinion is basically that they have to do good mornings.
So i ask the hall of Sugden what is your opinion?



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sorry who is 'he' who said Sheiko was wrong?
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newhybrid said:
sorry who is 'he' who said Sheiko was wrong?


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edi86Icon...10-12-2015 @ 13:24 
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I have very long femurs and short lower leg and find that the only way to keep upright is an almost high bar position, wideish stance with toes out and with knees tracking outward over feet.
matthewvcIcon...10-12-2015 @ 13:26 
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Post Edited: 10.12.2015 @ 13:26 PM by matthewvc
Buddha said:I had a discussion about forward lean and my question is: are lifters with long legs and women damned to practice good mornings instead of skwats?

He did say that Sheikos opinion is wrong and that it's impossible for most lifters to squat with a upright torso. His opinion is basically that they have to do good mornings.
So i ask the hall of Sugden what is your opinion?



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all sorts of factors govern forward lean

levers - femur length, tibia length and back length ratios.
flexibility - ankles, hips, abductors (shape/angle of femoral head and hips affect whether you can ever get down with a very wide setup)

i'm lucky to have decent squat levers (short femurs and long back) so can narrow stance, low bar and still be quite upright.
but even a deadlifter build can still stand upright if he can get a lot of knee travel and/or take a wide stance.
IrishMarcIcon...10-12-2015 @ 13:48 
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Technique can be adjusted to maintain a "more" upright torso to allow better transfer from the legs to the bar. Not everyone can get a beautiful technique but everyone should be always striving to be more efficient. Just accepting that your not "built" for a lift and just whacking away with bad movement is lazy.
FazcIcon...10-12-2015 @ 13:57 
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It's a L2P issue.
force10Icon...10-12-2015 @ 14:30 
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Not really sure that anyone can answer this question correctly as there are so many answers and viarables depending on an individual
It was once explained to me that the bar just needs to be as central as possible over the hips and move in the shortest route up and down
That's my input anyway
LouweazelIcon...10-12-2015 @ 15:46 
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IrishMarc said:Just accepting that your not "built" for a lift and just whacking away with bad movement is lazy.


Says my 153kg squat at 59kg.

I'll take my inefficient gains and national records ta much.
IrishMarcIcon...10-12-2015 @ 16:24 
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Louweazel said:
Says my 153kg squat at 59kg.
I'll take my inefficient gains and national records ta much.


Congratulations on your results.
FazcIcon...10-12-2015 @ 17:47 
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IrishMarc said:
Louweazel said:
Says my 153kg squat at 59kg.
I'll take my inefficient gains and national records ta much.


Congratulations on your results.


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dr_hazbunIcon...10-12-2015 @ 19:33 
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Obviously not an option if you're pursuing a powerlifting total, but if you're a long limbed athlete purely in pursuit of leg development, then swap back for front squats and do this in a heeled shoe. You can almost eliminate forward lean this way no matter how unfavourable your biomechanics. This has served me well.
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IrishMarc said:
Congratulations on your results.


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