behind the neck push press?
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| richieallen |  | behind the neck push press? | 08-06-2011 @ 16:57 |
 Member 1381, 1240 posts SQ 280, BP 165, DL 317.5762.5 kgs @ 105kgs UnEq | Do any off you do these alot of good pressers seem to do these but i also read that they are not that good for overhead work? any thoughts? | ||
| MrSmall | | ... | 08-06-2011 @ 16:58 |
Gone and easily forgotten....... Member 331, 22298 posts SQ 185, BP 100, DL 230515.0 kgs @ 85kgs UnEq | why are they not good for overhead work? | ||
| richieallen | | ... | 08-06-2011 @ 17:00 |
Member 1381, 1240 posts SQ 280, BP 165, DL 317.5762.5 kgs @ 105kgs UnEq | Post Edited: 08.06.2011 @ 17:01 PM by richieallen MrSmall said:why are they not good for overhead work? i cant remember where i read it bud...i just remember that bit...hence the post really. | ||
| ranathari | | ... | 08-06-2011 @ 17:26 |
 sumo ?? no ! no ! Member 1399, 557 posts | Think you might be confusing "not good for your shoulders" with "not good for overhead work". Before someone jumps on me and says they've done behind the neck pressing since they were in nappies and they've never had any shoulder problems, not everyone gets shoulder problems from BTN stuff. If you're one of the people whose shoulder anatomy results in a reduced acromioclavicular gap, doing BTN stuff is going to wreck your shoulders. If you have a nice large joint space, you can do BTN stuff till the cows come home without problems. It's just that there's no way to work out which of the two groups you fall into without actually doing BTN stuff and risking shoulder problems. | ||
| mishima | | ... | 08-06-2011 @ 17:36 |
 pink french superstar beard Member 26, 4030 posts SQ 190, BP 0, DL 205395.0 kgs @ 75kgs UnEq | Why behind the neck? How about "in front of the neck" push press, with a regular grip? | ||
| Simeon | | ... | 08-06-2011 @ 17:47 |
 tight in the hole Member 2057, 3121 posts SQ 205, BP 140, DL 260605.0 kgs @ 95kgs UnEq | Post Edited: 08.06.2011 @ 17:47 PM by Simeon mishima said:Why behind the neck? How about "in front of the neck" push press, with a regular grip? Behind the neck is supposed to involve the rear delts more - so would help if this was a weakness (which i think it probably is in a lot of people). My shoulder can't really take much behind the neck stuff though | ||
| Samthepigman | | ... | 08-06-2011 @ 18:39 |
 See You Next Tuesday Member 2254, 3824 posts SQ 240, BP 165, DL 300705.0 kgs @ 89kgs UnEq | I have always found dropping it back on my neck hurts and causes bruising. | ||
| MasterT | | ... | 08-06-2011 @ 20:28 |
Member 2509, 123 posts SQ 335, BP 237.5, DL 380952.5 kgs @ 106.4kgs UnEq | Simeon said: Behind the neck is supposed to involve the rear delts more - so would help if this was a weakness (which i think it probably is in a lot of people). My shoulder can't really take much behind the neck stuff though The main reason behind the neck drills were originally used was to teach aspiring Olympic weightlifters the best line for lifting - when one jerks in this motion the head is already pushed through and the hips naturally drop back on the drive which gives a straight line without the body having to adjust under the bar. Due to this larger weights can be shifted from behind the neck. If anything given the anatomical use of the rear delt there will be less involvement in a press behind the neck as the shoulder is already drawn back eliminating one of the uses of the rear delt. A nice variation from time to time if you are skilled at catching the bar correctly and comfortable enough and useful for developing confidence to drop under large weights but inferior in terms of sporting use to the front push press in my opinion. | ||
| Shaun | | ... | 08-06-2011 @ 21:45 |
Member 1668, 1499 posts SQ 186, BP 102, DL 211499.0 kgs @ 93kgs UnEq | Only tried BTN work a couple of times, shoulder wasn't too keen on it. That was before I started stretching and doing shoulder dislocates, though. I guess I had really tight shoulders back then... I might give them a go again to see if they still feel awkward. Apparently you're good for about 10% more from BTN - might even manage to get my bodyweight over my head. | ||
| MrSmall | | ... | 08-06-2011 @ 21:50 |
Gone and easily forgotten....... Member 331, 22298 posts SQ 185, BP 100, DL 230515.0 kgs @ 85kgs UnEq | MasterT said: The main reason behind the neck drills were originally used was to teach aspiring Olympic weightlifters the best line for lifting - when one jerks in this motion the head is already pushed through and the hips naturally drop back on the drive which gives a straight line without the body having to adjust under the bar. Due to this larger weights can be shifted from behind the neck. If anything given the anatomical use of the rear delt there will be less involvement in a press behind the neck as the shoulder is already drawn back eliminating one of the uses of the rear delt. A nice variation from time to time if you are skilled at catching the bar correctly and comfortable enough and useful for developing confidence to drop under large weights but inferior in terms of sporting use to the front push press in my opinion. so why is from the front better if you are moving less weight? | ||
| MasterT | | ... | 08-06-2011 @ 22:00 |
Member 2509, 123 posts SQ 335, BP 237.5, DL 380952.5 kgs @ 106.4kgs UnEq | MrSmall said: so why is from the front better if you are moving less weight? By all means clean a weight to the back of your neck if you can. | ||
| MrSmall | | ... | 08-06-2011 @ 22:01 |
Gone and easily forgotten....... Member 331, 22298 posts SQ 185, BP 100, DL 230515.0 kgs @ 85kgs UnEq | From a rack. | ||
| MasterT | | ... | 08-06-2011 @ 22:07 |
Member 2509, 123 posts SQ 335, BP 237.5, DL 380952.5 kgs @ 106.4kgs UnEq | MrSmall said:From a rack. Do you press from a rack in competition? | ||
| Wayne_Cowdrey | | ... | 08-06-2011 @ 22:50 |
 Still got a little bit of strength Member 400, 22057 posts | MasterT said: Do you press from a rack in competition? BTN press is done in that manner on the rare occasions it appears in strongman comps. BTN pressing ain't for me. Doesn't suit my anatomy and I feel it would be inviting injury. | ||
| chaos | | ... | 09-06-2011 @ 10:41 |
 An amazing human being Member 2047, 17156 posts SQ 262.5, BP 170, DL 300732.5 kgs @ 108kgs UnEq | Can't stand them personally, always feel like I'm gonna rip my shoulder! Think the comment that BTN don't help was from Big Tel a little while back (might be wrong so don't hate me - and can't be arsed searching for it!) | ||