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NimbleIcon...20-10-2020 @ 06:07 
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Post Edited: 20.10.2020 @ 06:13 AM by Nimble
When there are millions kicking around they will get shovelled to mates, whatever the party in charge. That of course doesn’t mean they can’t do some good in the mean time.

I’m not represented because I’m socially and environmentally small-c conservative (traditional morals/ethics, would prefer to protect Stonehenge, nature etc than improve traffic for a couple of decades) but fiscally speaking happy for taxes to go on assisting poor and disadvantaged... but implemented in a localised way. Basically the precise inverse of the Conservative party but sadly not much closer to any of the others.
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I constantly see people using the term Woke as a criticism.
So I googled the actual definition

Woke(/ˈwoʊk/ WOHK) is a political term originating in the United States referring to a perceived awareness of issues concerning social justice and racial justice. It derives from the African-American Vernacular English expression "stay woke", whose grammatical aspect refers to a continuing awareness of these issues.

So that's a bad thing these days? Like being a snowflake?
Basically if you give a s**t about someone other than yourself people call you a woke snowflake as a way off slagging you off. I don't see it as a bad thing. I hope the terms are being misused somewhat, otherwise there's a lot af t**ts around.
NimbleIcon...20-10-2020 @ 09:34 
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A woke person would call it awareness. But if you use racism as *the* central paradigm by which to explain all that’s wrong with the world then that’s something else. The ideas of universal white privilege, white silence as violence etc are a clear overreach as an example
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Nimble said:A woke person would call it awareness. But if you use racism as *the* central paradigm by which to explain all that’s wrong with the world then that’s something else. The ideas of universal white privilege, white silence as violence etc are a clear overreach as an example


Then maybe that person isn't woke in the true sense. Seems like the one lot of non woke people are classing another non woke type of person as woke.
NimbleIcon...20-10-2020 @ 09:58 
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Post Edited: 20.10.2020 @ 10:00 AM by Nimble
Yeah I’m not sure anyone calls themselves woke anymore? Think it’s purely a pejorative. Bit like alt right maybe

Edit: like alt right in the sense of initially being a term of self identification, taken up and meaning changed by political opponents and then largely dropped by the people who initially used it
billynomatesIcon...20-10-2020 @ 10:09 
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PeteHodgson said:I constantly see people using the term Woke as a criticism.
So I googled the actual definition

Woke(/ˈwoʊk/ WOHK) is a political term originating in the United States referring to a perceived awareness of issues concerning social justice and racial justice. It derives from the African-American Vernacular English expression "stay woke", whose grammatical aspect refers to a continuing awareness of these issues.

So that's a bad thing these days? Like being a snowflake?
Basically if you give a s**t about someone other than yourself people call you a woke snowflake as a way off slagging you off. I don't see it as a bad thing. I hope the terms are being misused somewhat, otherwise there's a lot af t**ts around.

I dont think its a bad thing per se. The criticism is of people who are overly woke, or go out of their way to get offended on behalf of black people so that they can "virtue-signal". Its surprising how many black lives matter protesters are white.
WILLSANIcon...20-10-2020 @ 12:42 
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terms change meaning faster than even online dictionaries can keep up with in these times and the dictionaries themselves can be subject to political bias.

woke as a pejorative usually refers to the concept of intersectionality, which is a far more divisive idea than the definition above would suggest.
NimbleIcon...20-10-2020 @ 12:50 
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WILLSAN said:terms change meaning faster than even online dictionaries can keep up with in these times and the dictionaries themselves can be subject to political bias.

woke as a pejorative usually refers to the concept of intersectionality, which is a far more divisive idea than the definition above would suggest.


Yeah it’s like the “sexual preference” thing recently. A publication (forget which) using the term and then condemning Amy Coney Barrett for using it less than a month later!
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Post Edited: 20.10.2020 @ 15:37 PM by IrishMarc
PeteHodgson said:I constantly see people using the term Woke as a criticism.
So I googled the actual definition

Woke(/ˈwoʊk/ WOHK) is a political term originating in the United States referring to a perceived awareness of issues concerning social justice and racial justice. It derives from the African-American Vernacular English expression "stay woke", whose grammatical aspect refers to a continuing awareness of these issues.

So that's a bad thing these days? Like being a snowflake?
Basically if you give a s**t about someone other than yourself people call you a woke snowflake as a way off slagging you off. I don't see it as a bad thing. I hope the terms are being misused somewhat, otherwise there's a lot af t**ts around.




This is well worth a watch if you want a rational look at postmodernism and it's latest rebranding as intersectionality and critical race theory.
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sort of how i see the term woke.

however, I also add entrenched opinions and being offended for the sake of offence. and assuming a position of absolute and unquestionable moral authority and therefore shutting down all other opinions. also unwilling to debate or see other perspective. and often launching death threats at unwoke individials on social media.

not what the term origionally meant but you can see it has turned into a monster.
billynomates said:
I dont think its a bad thing per se. The criticism is of people who are overly woke, or go out of their way to get offended on behalf of black people so that they can "virtue-signal". Its surprising how many black lives matter protesters are white.
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billynomates said:
I dont think its a bad thing per se. The criticism is of people who are overly woke, or go out of their way to get offended on behalf of black people so that they can "virtue-signal". Its surprising how many black lives matter protesters are white.


Wait. Because I'm white, I shouldn't think black lives matter? Jesus.
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Rick said:
Wait. Because I'm white, I shouldn't think black lives matter? Jesus.


If you do you're a woke snowflake. It seems. These days. Which I think is an insult coming from those that use these terms. These days.
billynomatesIcon...21-10-2020 @ 11:30 
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Wait. Because I'm white, I shouldn't think black lives matter? Jesus.


That's not what I'm saying. There are major differences between the sentiment that "black lives matter", and the group Black Lives Matter. Its my view that a large portion of white BLM protestors are spoiled college kids with nothing better to be doing, and in reality care less about racial equality than they do about being seen as civil rights heroes. The same sorts that have been responsible for shutting down free speech on college campuses and promoting the excessively woke culture that Pete mentioned.
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PeteHodgson said:
If you do you're a woke snowflake. It seems. These days. Which I think is an insult coming from those that use these terms. These days.


watch the video IrishMarc posted.
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billynomates said:
That's not what I'm saying. There are major differences between the sentiment that "black lives matter", and the group Black Lives Matter. Its my view that a large portion of white BLM protestors are spoiled college kids with nothing better to be doing, and in reality care less about racial equality than they do about being seen as civil rights heroes. The same sorts that have been responsible for shutting down free speech on college campuses and promoting the excessively woke culture that Pete mentioned.


I’m often reminded of the the Dostoyevsky quote “The more I love humanity in general the less I love man in particular.”

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