US Presidency

Rick said:This is the wrong thread for covid talk, but I have STILL to hear any remotely plausible motive for government or science to oversell this. "They want to muzzle us to make us meek" is not a motive that stands a moment's scrutiny: it does not lead to profits not more easily made elsewhere, or votes ditto.

Mask-wearing is compulsory outside in France and has been for weeks. They're not exactly noted for their meekness or compliance in the face of their government.

unit94 said:
The Dunning Kruger effect isn't a mental illness...

unit94 said:
Can we get an Amen! When people call them muzzles it kills me, I have no idea what the government stands to gain from people wearing masks. Can one of our conspiracist friends please enlighten me and Rick about what this end game is?

CAJ said:
Some people just don't like been told what to do. I don't like the mask thing personally and I don't agree with it, I think it's an ill informed attempt at an incompetent government trying to be seen doing something, but that's personal opinion and not backed up by any hard evidence. Above all else I find it inconvenient and it f**ks me right off when I have to make my beard a scruffy mess by wearing one every time I want to venture into a supermarket.
It stands to reason that anyone who goes against authority will direct their internal hatred towards the 'system' by buying into any amount of conspiracy theory they can rationalise as a way to validate their opinion and beliefs.
Whilst I'm not a big conspiracy theorist I still refuse to rule out certain ideas and theories to which we will likely never have an answer for. You either believe the official narrative or you don't.
I can't believe forcing people to wear masks achieves anything other than an inadequate protection from covid. Muzzle? Nah, Testing the waters of mass conformity? Probably not..
In my own opinion it's the Bezo's and the Zuckerbergs we should be cautious about. Not the buffoons we call politicians trying to run the country.

dannyboy73 said:Named muzzles because wearing a mask turns us into voiceless submissives.

call them safety masks and that would be a false claim.

dannyboy73 said:

Why is no one talking about the 770 students who tested positive and only 70 had mild symptoms?

Rick said:
It wouldn’t. There is decent evidence for some protection for the wearer, and, more to the point, excellent evidence for significant prophylaxis against infection carried by the wearer. This has been known for MONTHS.

Rick said:
Unless they isolate successfully, they will go on to infect others. Not all will be lucky. That’s how epidemics WORK.

dannyboy73 said:you miss understand.
the thing we should be discussing is that out of 770 young people zero require hoisptalisation and therefore this whole pandemic has been grossly exagerated.

billynomates said:Yes but they're very young people and therefore very low risk. If it was 770 pensioners it would be carnage.

slimsim said:
I'm not sure that is actually the case Rick and especially not when the face masks that the majority of people are wearing are made of cloth.
The link below relates to infection rates in healthcare workers but there's no reason why the same wouldn't follow through to the general populous, especially when their hygiene relating to masks is minimal. How may people are washing their masks daily?
https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/5/4/e006577
TDLR: the cloth mask wearers suffered high frequency of ILI (influenza like illnesses) than the control group or medical mask wearers.
Doesn't give me a lot of faith in wearing a mask.

slimsim said:
I'm not sure that is actually the case Rick and especially not when the face masks that the majority of people are wearing are made of cloth.