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king_mob | ... | 16-10-2012 @ 10:15 | |
Member 3935, 213 posts SQ 110, BP 80, DL 140330.0 kgs @ 97kgs UnEq | Post Edited: 16.10.2012 @ 10:17 AM by king_mob davycummings said: I find your response interesating mate. You are vegan right? Yet, you seem unusual in that you can see benefits in eating meat, think it tastes good, and are happy to encourage others to eat it. This seems to go against everything I thought i knew about speaking to vegans about food. Knowing all the above, why are you vegan? Thats a fair enough observation mate. Prepare for a bit of an essay though... Basically my reasons for being vegan are ethical, im not under any illusions of the health benefits over a carnivorous diet - far from it, the availability of key minerals and nutrients in animal protein, combined with the general deficit of key nutrients in most plant based diets means i actually think, based on the science available, that an animal based diet is healthier. The paleo guys, i mean the real ones like robb wolf, chris kresser, kurt harris, they really did their homework and you cant argue with the evidence they present. At least i can't. But then i dont try, my arguement is that you can be perfectly healthy on an exclusive plant based diet with appropriate food choices and some supplementation. Maybe not optimal but not in any way detrimental. The OP asked if bacon was good for him, so i gave him an objective answer. I dont particularly try to encourage or discourage, the facts are the facts and thats what he was asking about. If he asked "is it a humane thing to eat bacon?" then my answer would be different, although i really try and avoid getting into discussions like that on the internet. ((EDIT - reading back i can see how my "dive in mate" was pretty encouraging, oh well should think before posting i guess)) Here's the thing - my philosophy is that its just plain f**king wrong for me to act like i can be the judge of people, or for anyone else to act like they have the right to judge me for that matter. Your choices in life are your own, im not anyones parent, im not responsible for their actions, im not going to waste my own and other peoples time by getting in their faces about the things they do. Its their life and theirs to do with as they want. The information regarding veganism is out there, they can google it if they want to and apply it they find they agree with it. Or not, i dont really care if im honest, im going to do what i see as the right thing regardless. Do i think the meat industry is inhumane? Well yeah. Do i think people should not eat meat? Yes to a degree. Am i going to try and push my ideals and values onto other people? f**k no. | ||
ItsaSecret | ... | 16-10-2012 @ 10:19 | |
close to being re-banned Member 3955, 822 posts SQ 200, BP 160, DL 250610.0 kgs @ 110kgs UnEq | Fatpete said:Bacon is f**king gorgeous, it also gives longer-lasting, firmer erections would u suggest bacon for tren abusers such as yourself only joking don't go hitler on my angus | ||
macroth | ... | 16-10-2012 @ 10:19 | |
no longer the Swiss Deadlift record holder Member 3517, 3368 posts SQ 182.5, BP 122.5, DL 255560.0 kgs @ 90kgs UnEq | Having such an ethical yet non-militant stance is a rare and admirable thing. | ||
davycummings | ... | 16-10-2012 @ 10:24 | |
he's got betty davis eyes Member 1684, 6001 posts SQ 250, BP 186, DL 291727.0 kgs @ 118kgs UnEq | king_mob said: Thats a fair enough observation mate. Prepare for a bit of an essay though... Basically my reasons for being vegan are ethical, im not under any illusions of the health benefits over a carnivorous diet - far from it, the availability of key minerals and nutrients in animal protein, combined with the general deficit of key nutrients in most plant based diets means i actually think, based on the science available, that an animal based diet is healthier. The paleo guys, i mean the real ones like robb wolf, chris kresser, kurt harris, they really did their homework and you cant argue with the evidence they present. At least i can't. But then i dont try, my arguement is that you can be perfectly healthy on an exclusive plant based diet with appropriate food choices and some supplementation. Maybe not optimal but not in any way detrimental. The OP asked if bacon was good for him, so i gave him an objective answer. I dont particularly try to encourage or discourage, the facts are the facts and thats what he was asking about. If he asked "is it a humane thing to eat bacon?" then my answer would be different, although i really try and avoid getting into discussions like that on the internet. Here's the thing - my philosophy is that its just plain f**king wrong for me to act like i can be the judge of people, or for anyone else to act like they have the right to judge me for that matter. Your choices in life are your own, im not anyones parent, im not responsible for their actions, im not going to waste my own and other peoples time by getting in their faces about the things they do. Its their life and theirs to do with as they want. The information regarding veganism is out there, they can google it if they want to and apply it they find they agree with it. Or not, i dont really care if im honest, im going to do what i see as the right thing regardless. Do i think the meat industry is inhumane? Well yeah. Do i think people should not eat meat? Yes to a degree. Am i going to try and push my ideals and values onto other people? f**k no. This is the part I find interesting mate. I like the fact that you can be objective about the subject, whilst keeping your own ethical standpoint. I have tended to find many vegans to be like the jehovas that come to the door, so its a refreshing change | ||
chaos | ... | 16-10-2012 @ 10:38 | |
An amazing human being Member 2047, 17156 posts SQ 262.5, BP 170, DL 300732.5 kgs @ 108kgs UnEq | davycummings said: This is the part I find interesting mate. I like the fact that you can be objective about the subject, whilst keeping your own ethical standpoint. I have tended to find many vegans to be like the jehovas that come to the door, so its a refreshing change Joni is a nutmuncher too and he keeps his raving philosophies to himself Bacon rules, but I do use an alternative when at work cos its hard to cook tasty bacon in a microwave! I use proscuitto or parma ham with my scrambled eggs in morning. Just tear up pieces fo ham and chuck it in eggs as soon a s they come out of microwave and it gts very gently cooked and crisps up a little bit and its well nice! | ||
king_mob | ... | 16-10-2012 @ 11:17 | |
Member 3935, 213 posts SQ 110, BP 80, DL 140330.0 kgs @ 97kgs UnEq | macroth said:Having such an ethical yet non-militant stance is a rare and admirable thing. when you hear horror stories about some dick heads kicking in a local butchers shop (not a tesco's mind, just some working class bloke who ran his dad's shop after he died), you really start to question the ethics of some of the more militant approaches to veganism. f**k being a food nazi, not when there's real fash to bash. | ||
king_mob | ... | 16-10-2012 @ 11:22 | |
Member 3935, 213 posts SQ 110, BP 80, DL 140330.0 kgs @ 97kgs UnEq | davycummings said: This is the part I find interesting mate. I like the fact that you can be objective about the subject, whilst keeping your own ethical standpoint. I have tended to find many vegans to be like the jehovas that come to the door, so its a refreshing change yeah mate i just dont get it sometimes, if you want to convince someone that youv got this great idea then fine, but why try and force them to agree with you? Or if they dont want to enter into a dialogue about it why try and push it on them? Funnily enough most of the encounters iv had arguing with meat eaters is when one of them overhears or finds out im a vegan, and then starts up with "oh i bet you wanna have a right go at me for eating meat then?" which i obviously dont, so i normally just chin the c**t and the whole situation calms down | ||
dr_hazbun | ... | 16-10-2012 @ 12:07 | |
tabbouleh and fattoush salads were very refreshing Member 267, 8548 posts SQ 220, BP 165, DL 250635.0 kgs @ 90kgs Eq | I have had bacon every day for the last 3 days. (I love it in pasta) | ||
Cuddles | ... | 16-10-2012 @ 13:16 | |
Eat.Cycle.Sleep.Win Member 2, 12511 posts SQ 190, BP 150, DL 280620.0 kgs @ 99kgs UnEq Administrator | dr_hazbun said:I have had bacon every day for the last 3 days. (I love it in pasta) I pretty much have bacon every day of the week. Normally at least a BLT baguette mid morning. | ||
Rico | ... | 16-10-2012 @ 13:26 | |
Sugdens very own David Dimbleby Member 1403, 3716 posts SQ 220, BP 115, DL 260595.0 kgs @ 97kgs UnEq | I'm eating bacon right now. Accompanied by chicken, onion, garlic, chicken stock and risotto rice. AKA bacon and chicken risotto. | ||
dr_hazbun | ... | 16-10-2012 @ 13:29 | |
tabbouleh and fattoush salads were very refreshing Member 267, 8548 posts SQ 220, BP 165, DL 250635.0 kgs @ 90kgs Eq | Rico said:I'm eating bacon right now. Accompanied by chicken, onion, garlic, chicken stock and risotto rice. AKA bacon and chicken risotto. I throw it in pasta. My favourite is pasta, leeks, chillis, bacon, mushrooms, garlic, creme fraiche, grated cheese on top. Lovely! | ||
Rico | ... | 16-10-2012 @ 13:35 | |
Sugdens very own David Dimbleby Member 1403, 3716 posts SQ 220, BP 115, DL 260595.0 kgs @ 97kgs UnEq | dr_hazbun said: I throw it in pasta. My favourite is pasta, leeks, chillis, bacon, mushrooms, garlic, creme fraiche, grated cheese on top. Lovely! I pretty much am gonna do this after training. Albeit minus leeks cos i dont have then and mushrooms cos i detest them. Otherwise game on! | ||
BigMacca | ... | 16-10-2012 @ 13:56 | |
understanding of the sport, little he has. Member 798, 9943 posts SQ 260, BP 150, DL 272.5682.5 kgs @ 82.5kgs UnEq | Bacon is good - I had 12 rashers yesterday | ||
MrSmall | ... | 16-10-2012 @ 13:57 | |
Gone and easily forgotten....... Member 331, 22298 posts SQ 185, BP 100, DL 230515.0 kgs @ 85kgs UnEq | BigMacca said:Bacon is good - I had 12 rashers yesterday You a streaky or back man, Paul? | ||
dr_hazbun | ... | 16-10-2012 @ 13:59 | |
tabbouleh and fattoush salads were very refreshing Member 267, 8548 posts SQ 220, BP 165, DL 250635.0 kgs @ 90kgs Eq | MrSmall said: You a streaky or back man, Paul? joker | ||