Natural Lifting Feds
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| JC |  | ... | 16-07-2012 @ 12:09 |
 technical retard Member 172, 36827 posts SQ 310, BP 205, DL 335850.0 kgs @ 108kgs UnEq | Finch said:It comes down to your own morals at the end of the day. A first offence in the GBPF would generally get a two year ban, so presumably if you had been clear of banned substances for that time I'm not sure that anyone could complain. Personally, as a lifter that has never taken anything stronger than cod liver oil I'd feel uncomfortable having to compete against someone that had openly been using ped's. But not someone who hid it, for there own personal gain? There are a few GBPF refs/officials with previous, so are you uncomfortable with that? | ||
| Finch | | ... | 16-07-2012 @ 12:40 |
 Gonna outlive my opposition !! Member 123, 4038 posts SQ 202.5, BP 135.0, DL 232.5570.0 kgs @ 117kgs UnEq | JC said: But not someone who hid it, for there own personal gain? There are a few GBPF refs/officials with previous, so are you uncomfortable with that? Of course! | ||
| ChrisGlover | | ... | 16-07-2012 @ 12:47 |
 does 'bench only' comps ...LOL Member 1469, 377 posts | FAT_SAM said: Yup. Also worth noting that if nandrolones have been used it is probably wise to wait up to 18 months because metabolites still present can give a positive result before that time is up. BPC and BPF are untested feds and they host really well-run comps. Lots of guys that are clean lift in them, too. That is a fantastic point! i lift with both n half the guys are clean in the untested feds, they just enjoy well run comps n chance to lift at awesome events such as bodypower... the ratio prob aint that different to GBPF as with a couple tests a year amongst the fed... its tested (ish) but its far from drug free | ||
| JC | | ... | 16-07-2012 @ 13:20 |
technical retard Member 172, 36827 posts SQ 310, BP 205, DL 335850.0 kgs @ 108kgs UnEq | ChrisGlover said: That is a fantastic point! i lift with both n half the guys are clean in the untested feds, they just enjoy well run comps n chance to lift at awesome events such as bodypower... the ratio prob aint that different to GBPF as with a couple tests a year amongst the fed... its tested (ish) but its far from drug free Just look at that Tom whatshisname fella...obvious juicer if ever I saw one! The hair gives it away! | ||
| bulkaholic | | ... | 16-07-2012 @ 21:21 |
 Member 762, 79 posts SQ 200, BP 135, DL 250585.0 kgs @ 106kgs UnEq | Thanks for the input people. I would have been clean for around 18 months to 2 years by the time I compete but not looking to piss people off so may stick to untested feds if its a problem. I may start my own ex juicers fed that bans all lifters that haven't ever abused substances in past  | ||
| Fazc | | ... | 16-07-2012 @ 21:24 |
 Sports an extremely muscular arse. Member 38, 6253 posts | TBH I couldn't give a f**k if guys I'm competing against are using or not. | ||
| bulkaholic | | ... | 17-07-2012 @ 20:56 |
Member 762, 79 posts SQ 200, BP 135, DL 250585.0 kgs @ 106kgs UnEq | Fazc said:TBH I couldn't give a f**k if guys I'm competing against are using or not. Exactly mate me neither. I will probably lift untested fed to save on all the drama I reckon | ||
| MattD90 | | ... | 17-07-2012 @ 21:58 |
 Skaven for the win !! Member 2490, 3589 posts SQ 180, BP 120, DL 230530.0 kgs @ 82kgs UnEq | Post Edited: 17.07.2012 @ 22:31 PM by MattD90 Fazc said:TBH I couldn't give a f**k if guys I'm competing against are using or not. Would it not bother you though if you competed in a federation that declares itself tested and drug free, and then came second to someone using? | ||
| Steve | | ... | 17-07-2012 @ 22:45 |
nothing to hide, please follow my life on webcam Member 255, 3732 posts | MattD90 said: Fazc said:TBH I couldn't give a f**k if guys I'm competing against are using or not. Would it not bother you though if you competed in a federation that declares itself tested and drug free, and then came second to someone using? Or you missed out on International medals due to known users? | ||
| hifilover | | ... | 17-07-2012 @ 22:48 |
 Member 3241, 2043 posts SQ 1, BP 192, DL 255448.0 kgs @ 136kgs UnEq | It would me; that's why I stopped competing in the BDFPA! Why enter a drug free comp if you're not drug free!!! Still friggin cheating! | ||
| AdamC | | ... | 18-07-2012 @ 07:18 |
 Member 1519, 1476 posts SQ 320, BP 260, DL 320900.0 kgs @ 117kgs Eq | Theres no such thing as a drug free fed, only drug tested. the only way to have a completely drug free fed is to test everyone on a regular basis which will never happen the cost would be outrageous As a drug free lifter who next year will be lifting both gbpf and bpc i have no issue with competeing against people who are using gear as long as they arent being dicks and competing in a tested fed and making out they are drug free | ||
| Fazc | | ... | 18-07-2012 @ 10:44 |
Sports an extremely muscular arse. Member 38, 6253 posts | Steve said: MattD90 said: Fazc said:TBH I couldn't give a f**k if guys I'm competing against are using or not. Would it not bother you though if you competed in a federation that declares itself tested and drug free, and then came second to someone using? Or you missed out on International medals due to known users? I probably have done. People cheat, Santa isn't real and the Tooth fairy isn't the one who leaves money under my pillow either. Let's not be naive and I'm saying I've competed in both the BDFPA (2003-2012) and BWLA (2001). I'm fairly deadset on moving to the GPC this year anyway. | ||
| Rick | | ... | 18-07-2012 @ 10:56 |
 I am a bench-only guy Member 3, 10035 posts SQ 185, BP 175, DL 235595.0 kgs @ 140kgs UnEq Administrator | Two years is the ban you'd get if you'd actually cheated. Under those circumstances, eighteen months since you used - and you HAVEN'T cheated - seems perfectly reasonable to me. No ground for complaint IMO. Disclaimer: I'm a gbpf member but I don't speak for anyone but myself. | ||
| Steve | | ... | 18-07-2012 @ 11:25 |
nothing to hide, please follow my life on webcam Member 255, 3732 posts | Fazc said: I probably have done. People cheat, Santa isn't real and the Tooth fairy isn't the one who leaves money under my pillow either. Let's not be naive and I'm saying I've competed in both the BDFPA (2003-2012) and BWLA (2001). I'm fairly deadset on moving to the GPC this year anyway. Have you ever actually been beaten by someone who was definitely cheating and failed drugs tests or are you just guessing? | ||
| Fazc | | ... | 18-07-2012 @ 12:24 |
Sports an extremely muscular arse. Member 38, 6253 posts | Steve said: Have you ever actually been beaten by someone who was definitely cheating and failed drugs tests or are you just guessing? I never made that claim and dont intend to. Like I said Steve, it's not something I care about or even think about. So dont try and box me into that position please. You posed the hypothetical question at me, I'm saying I'm not naive. | ||