Is it potentially harmful to the knees...

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Wayne_Cowdrey		Is it potentially harmful to the knees...	18-05-2010 @ 19:04
Still got a little bit of strength Member 400, 22062 posts	...to pause at the bottom of a full squat?

EDCLARKE		...	18-05-2010 @ 19:05
not particularly well educated Member 85, 10990 posts SQ 170, BP 130, DL 260 560.0 kgs @ 90kgs UnEq	i dont know if it is or not,but paused squats dont seem to hurt my dodgy knee as much as normal squats.

Kerridge		...	18-05-2010 @ 20:02
Member 357, 21 posts SQ 215, BP 140, DL 232.5 587.5 kgs @ 92kgs Eq	Knee wraps can be a problem if you go very low and they bunch up just behind the knee joint, in effect forcing it to open. This can stretch some of the ligaments at the sides and the front crucia ligament in particular which may become a problem if you sit in the low position a lot.

Wayne_Cowdrey		...	18-05-2010 @ 20:31
Still got a little bit of strength Member 400, 22062 posts	Kerridge said: Knee wraps can be a problem if you go very low and they bunch up just behind the knee joint, in effect forcing it to open. This can stretch some of the ligaments at the sides and the front crucia ligament in particular which may become a problem if you sit in the low position a lot. I squat raw.

Doc_D		...	18-05-2010 @ 21:12
please use accurate taxonomy in our communication Member 871, 469 posts SQ 240, BP 137.5, DL 262.5 640.0 kgs @ 89kgs Eq	If you keep everything tight, I wouldn't imagine so - nor would you be deriving the potential benefits from pause squats. If you simply relax the legs, I'd imagine that this could have negative effects. But there are many factosr involved. FWIW, I remember that somebody (Stuart McRobert?) warned against pause squats because of knees, but I've always found them a good exercise, despite my decrepit joints.

Fatpete		...	18-05-2010 @ 21:20
Hyper obese Pete Member 70, 17899 posts SQ 322.5, BP 205, DL 300 827.5 kgs @ 133kgs Eq	Wayne_Cowdrey said: I squat raw. Wayne_Cowdrey said:...to pause at the bottom of a full squat? You really hate your knees don't you ? Just take a hammer to them and save time and all that tedious squatting. Wrap and dig, smooth and fluent

Col_Austin		...	18-05-2010 @ 21:21
99.8 340/220/335 895 Member 1002, 1560 posts	Post Edited: 18.05.2010 @ 21:22 PM by Col_Austin Doc_D said: FWIW, I remember that somebody (Stuart McRobert?) warned against pause squats because of knees, but I've always found them a good exercise, despite my decrepit joints. I've always thought Stuart McRobert was very good at disguising total bulls**t as real World advice.


Wayne_Cowdrey		...	18-05-2010 @ 21:39
Still got a little bit of strength Member 400, 22062 posts	Fatpete said: You really hate your knees don't you ? On the contrary - my health comes first. That's why I'm enquiring. Surely my body would be letting me know if I was causing harm? I'm the least injured u105 strongman that I know!

MrSmall		...	18-05-2010 @ 21:46
Gone and easily forgotten....... Member 331, 22298 posts SQ 185, BP 100, DL 230 515.0 kgs @ 85kgs UnEq	Thing is though Wayne, if you wear away the cartilage in your knee over time, when its gone its gone but you won't notice it while it's happening most likely. Just an example, not necessarily associated with paused squats. It's all about building up slowly and over time, let your body recover and learn to recover quickly and toughen up imo. Same as with boxing, if you jump in to start beating up a 200lb punchbag full of densely packed sand, you will f**k your hands up, if you start with an 100lb bag you can build up that strength and joint integrity.

Wayne_Cowdrey		...	18-05-2010 @ 21:51
Still got a little bit of strength Member 400, 22062 posts	MrSmall said: Thing is though Wayne, if you wear away the cartilage in your knee over time, when its gone its gone but you won't notice it while it's happening most likely. I think it's more impact stuff that does that (correct me if I'm wrong someone). That's why I keep farmer's/yoke training to an absolute minimum. Long-term joint health is always at the back of my mind.

Wayne_Cowdrey		...	18-05-2010 @ 21:52
Still got a little bit of strength Member 400, 22062 posts	MrSmall said: let your body recover I'm a big fan of rest, and only train twice a week.

IainKendrick		...	18-05-2010 @ 21:55
some nice relaxing jazz. Member 77, 12599 posts SQ 265, BP 165, DL 280 710.0 kgs @ 93kgs UnEq	Col_Austin said: I've always thought Stuart McRobert was very good at disguising total bulls**t as real World advice. A master in the art!

MrSmall		...	18-05-2010 @ 21:56
Gone and easily forgotten....... Member 331, 22298 posts SQ 185, BP 100, DL 230 515.0 kgs @ 85kgs UnEq	Wayne_Cowdrey said: I think it's more impact stuff that does that (correct me if I'm wrong someone). That's why I keep farmer's/yoke training to an absolute minimum. Long-term joint health is always at the back of my mind. Definitely that bothers things more, however that does have something to do with your moving technique, like people that run and hit the floor flat on the feet or people who land on the ball of the foot and soften the descent.

Mr_Ben		...	19-05-2010 @ 00:51
Member 1216, 194 posts SQ 240, BP 160, DL 280 680.0 kgs @ 115kgs UnEq	Post Edited: 19.05.2010 @ 00:55 AM by Mr_Ben This year I have had nothing but knee problems. I have never had bad knees when squating in the past but am 36 now. It seems that when I squat full depth I pull something on the inside of my kneecap where that teardrop muscle is and my knee goes clicky and sore. My knees seem to hurt when squating down even without weight and feel sore all of the time. I find the only way I can prevent it is by squating onto a bench that is slightly above parallel as the problem seems to happen when I hit a certain depth. It gets me down a bit but am still trying to train around the problem, dont enjoy my squats anymore and feel bad about not hitting depth but it is all I can do at the moment. Not sure if deadlifting causes a problem with the bar rubbing on my kneecap when it goes up. I had a few motorbike crashes when younger and banged both knees up which has perhaps made them a bit sensitive. I think pausing at the bottom of the squat would cause major problems for me but touching down onto a bench seems to help me somehow.

FAT_SAM		...	19-05-2010 @ 01:01
more like 'FAT TROLL' Member 984, 6331 posts SQ 420, BP 260, DL 335 1015.0 kgs @ 165kgs UnEq	I do raw paused squats most squat sessions and have never had problems with my knees.

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