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| Rick |  | ... | 26-04-2020 @ 23:12 |
 I am a bench-only guy Member 3, 10035 posts SQ 185, BP 175, DL 235595.0 kgs @ 140kgs UnEq Administrator | Post Edited: 26.04.2020 @ 23:13 PM by Rick They're managing just fine. Plenty of people in Madrid, day have been locked down in tiny garden-less city centre flats - actually locked down, not our half-arsed take - for two months and counting. But they put up with it because the reality has been adequately communicated.That said, current polling here suggests a large majority are worried that we'll start unlocking too soon, despite the Telegraph and Times now heavily selling that the public can't take it and we need to unlock. (What they mean, of course, is that their owners don't like it.) The irony is that a lot of the people saying you can't expect the public to put up with this are the same ones who romanticise the war, with its restrictions, evacuations, curfews, and rationing. Happily, so far, the majority of that public are proving them wrong. | ||
| Samthepigman | | ... | 27-04-2020 @ 06:18 |
 See You Next Tuesday Member 2254, 3824 posts SQ 240, BP 165, DL 300705.0 kgs @ 89kgs UnEq | Anybody who says they can't cope with lockdown is pretty pathetic. There's alot worse in the world. | ||
| dannyboy73 |  | ... | 27-04-2020 @ 09:04 |
Mask it or Casket !! Member 4600, 8166 posts SQ 240, BP 162.5, DL 255657.5 kgs @ 90.5kgs UnEq | Post Edited: 27.04.2020 @ 09:17 AM by dannyboy73 I think most can cope with house arrest.However, the daily briefings havent helped. The patronising tone and complete lack of transparacy have turned off millions of people who were initially on board. You cant answere evey question with a catch phrase or paying tribute to the next line of workers like a teary eyed oscar acceptance speech. Also, using war talk jargon is patheric, this is not a war no one has been shoot yet and it detracts from the horror of actual war and the term hero has been wathered down to include anyone who gets out of bed and is lucky enough to still have work... and the prison rhetoric for remaining home eg daily exercise, encourages the innocent to make... prison breaks? Still I dont understand why the streets round our town are full of old triple lockers who should be home shielded and all the kids and able workers are locked up indoors. Its tragic and at the same time, comical. Or at least it would be comical if we werent at the start of the worse recession on record. already a house in our road has gone on 10% cheaper than pre-covid. the big companies will have a field day after this with millions willing to work under any conditions just to get income. Tragic and worrying. Meanwhile the global figures of death are penuts. At least unlock construction and non-personal care shops...or all we will have left after this will be big companies and awfull employee contracts and rates of pay... Samthepigman said:Anybody who says they can't cope with lockdown is pretty pathetic. There's alot worse in the world. | ||
| slow_lift_joe | | ... | 27-04-2020 @ 10:11 |
Interesting Member 6186, 245 posts | Danny you make some valid points on the economy and the impact and that will be difficult to manage, we need an exit plan and some clever development to get out of this. We do not know the complete science of COVID 19 :- -Can you get re-infected ? -Are we immune to re-infection ? -How many of us has had ? -Where did it come from wet market or was it a SARS virus engineered ? -All other crowd diseases have been controlled and in some cases conquered. -This could be different, at this stage do not know, sorry we need more detailed information and investigation work. My final point on the economy would be this, the reason for the "Lockdown" was to protect the NHS. My opinion and the irony would now be lets go back to what Attlee/Bevan did and put in place a complete re-building of the UK and nationalisation programme, manufacture here not in China, re-build, grow, plant and work on a new system and remove greed and capitalism....Boris and Co would need to go, a little like Churchill had to after the war. History is a good gauge for the future.....You may say I am a dreamer but I am not the only one. Keep safe all and we will get over this and maybe the World will wake up to a better system. | ||
| LessThanLuke | | ... | 27-04-2020 @ 10:15 |
 his poor male ego must be crushed Member 883, 6251 posts SQ 290, BP 180, DL 420890.0 kgs @ 105kgs UnEq | Post Edited: 27.04.2020 @ 10:18 AM by LessThanLuke Samthepigman said:Anybody who says they can't cope with lockdown is pretty pathetic. There's alot worse in the world. Anyone who criticises what other people's mental health can or can't handle is pathetic. Wonder if you'll still be saying this is when we're still in lock down in 12 months... For some reason lots of people think it's gonna get lifted in a few months. Why would it? Without a vaccine the same thing will happen if any lockdown is relaxed. | ||
| LessThanLuke | | ... | 27-04-2020 @ 10:19 |
his poor male ego must be crushed Member 883, 6251 posts SQ 290, BP 180, DL 420890.0 kgs @ 105kgs UnEq | Samthepigman said:Anybody who says they can't cope with lockdown is pretty pathetic. There's alot worse in the world. I can't get over how much of a c**ty comment this is. Jesus. | ||
| dannyboy73 | | ... | 27-04-2020 @ 10:32 |
Mask it or Casket !! Member 4600, 8166 posts SQ 240, BP 162.5, DL 255657.5 kgs @ 90.5kgs UnEq | Post Edited: 27.04.2020 @ 10:34 AM by dannyboy73 Firstly, thank you for seeing my comments for what they are...I am not trying to be a prick, but I do think we are being feed plenty of bulls**t and its worth taliking about...secondly, Im 100% with you what youve said. im still a socialist at my very core who lost his faith and is completly jaded but wants desperatly to be proven wrong more than anything else. slow_lift_joe said:d information and investigation work. . My opinion and the irony would now be lets go back to what Attlee/Bevan did and put in place a complete re-building of the UK and nationalisation programme, manufacture here not in China, re-build, grow, plant and work on a new system and remove greed and capitalism....Boris and Co would need to go, a little like Churchill had to after the war. History is a good gauge for the future.....You may say I am a dreamer but I am not the only one. Keep safe all and we will get over this and maybe the World will wake up to a better system. | ||
| WILLSAN | | ... | 27-04-2020 @ 11:44 |
 Trump will get another four years Member 126, 16707 posts SQ 160, BP 110, DL 225495.0 kgs @ 75kgs UnEq | LessThanLuke said:How long before the British public get sick of being under house arrest? I'm already starting to lose the plot to be honest and I've got it better than most with a full gym at my disposal. personally im ok. but, there are five of us here, we have a garden and we have jobs that arent under threat which is better than many have it. got relatives who we are genuinely worried about - particularly if this goes on for weeks/months on end. saw this vid of two california doctors arguing for a lift of their lockdown: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfLVxx_lBLU&t=3s (wont embed) they made a point which I hadnt considered. we are locking down to stop the health system being overloaded. but what is going to happen with all the surgeries, appointments, check ups that have been cancelled? what about the potential increase in mental health problems, abuse and neglect? what about all the people who are genuinely ill but are not seeking medical help because they dont want to get cv? the longer we are on lockdown, the bigger the backlog and the more additional issues caused by the lockdown itself. are we risking overloading the system with everything that ISNT coronavirus by staying on lockdown for an extended period? the more I think about it the more I realise how insanely complicated and wide ranging the unintended consequences of this situation are. its actually quite mind blowing. | ||
| slow_lift_joe | | ... | 27-04-2020 @ 13:06 |
Interesting Member 6186, 245 posts | Everyone is making good valid points on this forum and open debate is a good thing. All the scientists and all global politicians are simply overwhelmed. Not one country was ready for the next global pandemic, not one. The WHO got it wrong, the richest country on earth USA got it wrong. Europe got it wrong and China might have been hiding the truth or not giving the whole truth. COVID 19 is travelling around the World and no one yet has the solution. There is hope if we get over all the waves, because all pandemics follow four stages :- The spark, the growth, the peak and then the decline. In some cases these stages can appear multiple times hence the worry about a second wave and then a third wave like the Spanish Flu of 1918. The issue is time line and what the economy, the world will look like at the end and what damage is done in terms of health, death, social and financial factors. We do need to know why it took off like it did and how it started and who was responsible as then outbreak science and global governments can seek damages and negligence on a scale unseen since the World War Two, reparations and industrial assets will be claimed against those responsible and found negligent. Relationships and business as normal will not be possible due to the sheer destruction caused, a new system will need to be found, far more in depth and more a conscious approach to consumption. New supply chains, more ethical supply chains. Environment and sustainable purchasing, globalisation turned on its head in innovate ways. We must re-think cheap and expensive. There must be change for the sake of the planet and our health. If the virus is zoonotic we cannot destroy ecosystem like we are, it the virus is a SARS engineered virus then those responsible must be liable for the damage done to the planet and the human race. Keep safe. | ||
| Samthepigman | | ... | 27-04-2020 @ 17:11 |
See You Next Tuesday Member 2254, 3824 posts SQ 240, BP 165, DL 300705.0 kgs @ 89kgs UnEq | LessThanLuke said: I can't get over how much of a c**ty comment this is. Jesus. I stand by it. | ||
| DeanW92 | | ... | 27-04-2020 @ 17:37 |
Member 4496, 1446 posts SQ 240, BP 200, DL 300740.0 kgs @ 112kgs UnEq | Samthepigman said: I stand by it. I imagine its hard to know what its like to have mental issues when its not something you have not experienced. I myself have never had issues and nor do i feel like I'm susceptible to that kind of problem but i feel for those who generally do have a problem. Having said that i think a lot of people play on it and don't really have any issues, some will use it as an excuse for being a nob and not sticking to the guidelines given, the reality is that they just don't like to be told what to do and resist. | ||
| Rick | | ... | 27-04-2020 @ 17:39 |
I am a bench-only guy Member 3, 10035 posts SQ 185, BP 175, DL 235595.0 kgs @ 140kgs UnEq Administrator | LessThanLuke said: For some reason lots of people think it's gonna get lifted in a few months. Why would it? Without a vaccine the same thing will happen if any lockdown is relaxed. We seem to have drifted, as a conversation (Not just here but in the UK in general) into this I-think-false dichotomy. The alternative is careful release of lockdown with extensive testing as soon as people show related symptoms, and full and immediate contact tracing testing, and quarantine if they're positive. Of course this is difficult and expensive, but probably less so than the indefinite lockdown or the wave of deaths that are the likely alternatives. It's not impossible; it's exactly what the countries who dealt with this fast and early did. (Of course it does require human quarantine at borders, but that's pretty much a given at this point.) The thing that worries me is that I don't see any evidence that government here are prepared to do this. In other words, we're still on the "herd immunity the hard way" idea. | ||
| LessThanLuke | | ... | 27-04-2020 @ 17:55 |
his poor male ego must be crushed Member 883, 6251 posts SQ 290, BP 180, DL 420890.0 kgs @ 105kgs UnEq | Samthepigman said: I stand by it. Then you're a c**t. Hope to god noone you ever know has any mental health issues if this is the level of empathy you show. | ||
| Samthepigman | | ... | 27-04-2020 @ 18:08 |
See You Next Tuesday Member 2254, 3824 posts SQ 240, BP 165, DL 300705.0 kgs @ 89kgs UnEq | Please don't call me names. It's not good for my mental health. | ||
| LessThanLuke | | ... | 27-04-2020 @ 18:52 |
his poor male ego must be crushed Member 883, 6251 posts SQ 290, BP 180, DL 420890.0 kgs @ 105kgs UnEq | Samthepigman said:Please don't call me names. It's not good for my mental health. Good job you think anyone who says that is pathetic so it can't be true so I can carry on  | ||
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