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Oxman | ... | 10-10-2013 @ 08:31 | |
Likes tight rubber Member 2981, 11067 posts SQ 242.5, BP 192.5, DL 330765.0 kgs @ 92.9kgs UnEq | nails said: Best to rest up and let it heal though mate. I'm sure you can find other stuff that won't hurt your knees. Does things like yoke and other weighted walking bother you? How about snatch grip deadlifts? Don't sweat the push press, just get your strict up, work both sessions as strict and aim for 100kg by year end. Having stuff like this is a real pain in the arse but it will only stop you if you let it, there are always options. I think i'll have to mate, I can do normal deadlifts ok, they don't seem to aggrevate it at all, unsure about yoke/farmers as the last time I did them they were hurting from the previous days push pressing. Going to give myself 2-3 weeks without squats (which is crap as i'm already struggling with them) and just going to strict press for the time being, hopefully get back to some push work in time for my comp prep. Had some good advice about re-hab so going to go all out with that to get this healed asap. | ||
Oxman | ... | 10-10-2013 @ 08:33 | |
Likes tight rubber Member 2981, 11067 posts SQ 242.5, BP 192.5, DL 330765.0 kgs @ 92.9kgs UnEq | nails said: It would have been different if you had a history of back injury or you were a normal sane person who does normal sane volume. When your deadlift session contains about 100 reps at ~85% 1RM you know that your back is pretty well conditioned. If it was anyone else then yeah it would be stupid, horses for courses really. A first rep 90% squat would be a bad choice for you with your knee issues but could be perfectly acceptable for someone else. For you that was a borderline sensible session. In fact it feels like the calm before the storm, there's a monstrous 15 hour marathon session coming. I can feel it in my bones. If I can deadlift but not squat for a while there could be some mammoth deadlift work coming! Cheers mate and all very true! Banged those 6 sets of deads out in just under 15 mins - job done! | ||
DrD | ... | 10-10-2013 @ 09:12 | |
#IStandByMillsy Member 4287, 2614 posts SQ 300, BP 310, DL 250860.0 kgs @ 120kgs Eq | Oxman said:My knees are in a bad way, looks like Patellar Tendonitis I think. I'm rolling and stretching every spare second and it goes instantly but returns not long after. It looks like squatting and push pressing may have to stop to allow healing, pretty piŁ$ed off tbh, i'll see how the next few days go before deciding if I have to. Bad news mate, I can fully appreciate patellar tendonitis!!! I fuind push pressing worse than squatting for mine, hopefully some anti-inflammatories and a few days rest might let it/them settle down. You can get the chopat straps that help reduce pain / flare ups, that or some physio tape around it. | ||
stephen9069 | ... | 10-10-2013 @ 09:19 | |
Frequents the HOUSE of GAIN. Member 3836, 4233 posts SQ 225, BP 200, DL 300725.0 kgs @ 119kgs UnEq | Oxman said:My knees are in a bad way, looks like Patellar Tendonitis I think. I'm rolling and stretching every spare second and it goes instantly but returns not long after. It looks like squatting and push pressing may have to stop to allow healing, pretty piŁ$ed off tbh, i'll see how the next few days go before deciding if I have to. That's some bad luck mate I hope it clears quick, iv noticed it starting in my left knee and like you been foam rolling like mad which I absolutely hate doing on my legs. Like said before mate plenty of strict work and it will turn you into a pressing monster | ||
Oxman | ... | 10-10-2013 @ 09:24 | |
Likes tight rubber Member 2981, 11067 posts SQ 242.5, BP 192.5, DL 330765.0 kgs @ 92.9kgs UnEq | DrD said: Bad news mate, I can fully appreciate patellar tendonitis!!! I fuind push pressing worse than squatting for mine, hopefully some anti-inflammatories and a few days rest might let it/them settle down. You can get the chopat straps that help reduce pain / flare ups, that or some physio tape around it. Cheers mate, hopefully a little rest will see it improve, i'll try taping it and see if that helps, need to nip this in the bud. Its a wake up call really, need much much more stretching and rolling these days without doubt. | ||
Oxman | ... | 10-10-2013 @ 09:25 | |
Likes tight rubber Member 2981, 11067 posts SQ 242.5, BP 192.5, DL 330765.0 kgs @ 92.9kgs UnEq | stephen9069 said: That's some bad luck mate I hope it clears quick, iv noticed it starting in my left knee and like you been foam rolling like mad which I absolutely hate doing on my legs. Like said before mate plenty of strict work and it will turn you into a pressing monster Cheers mate, appreciated, strict is where its going to be for a little while I think, I guess if my strict jumps from its current 93.5kg to 100kg or even 105kg my push press must move up even without training it??? Just need to practice the form of it again when the time comes I guess. | ||
stephen9069 | ... | 10-10-2013 @ 09:29 | |
Frequents the HOUSE of GAIN. Member 3836, 4233 posts SQ 225, BP 200, DL 300725.0 kgs @ 119kgs UnEq | Post Edited: 10.10.2013 @ 09:35 AM by stephen9069 Oxman said: Cheers mate, appreciated, strict is where its going to be for a little while I think, I guess if my strict jumps from its current 93.5kg to 100kg or even 105kg my push press must move up even without training it??? Just need to practice the form of it again when the time comes I guess. That's what iv noticed with my push press because I haven't practiced it my form is slightly off but I reckon after a couple weeks form should come back and you will smash a big number EDIT: You might want to consider just unracking the push press weights working up to your potential goal when your knee is better just so that it doesn't come as a shock to the body when you unrack and go for that PB mate. | ||
DrD | ... | 10-10-2013 @ 09:38 | |
#IStandByMillsy Member 4287, 2614 posts SQ 300, BP 310, DL 250860.0 kgs @ 120kgs Eq | Oxman said: Cheers mate, hopefully a little rest will see it improve, i'll try taping it and see if that helps, need to nip this in the bud. Its a wake up call really, need much much more stretching and rolling these days without doubt. Taping is OK aslong as it's definitely due to localised tendon inflammation and not bone deformity or bone spurs. I've had patellar tendonitis for 17 years so far. Mostly OK, but flares up a fair bit. Wider stance squats seem to reduce the pain in mine, and push presses seem to upset the most - presumably as its a very powerful movement, whereas I'm a bit smoother on the squats. It might be due to the front squats you have recently reintroduced? They put quite a bit of emphasis through the knee. I'm no knee expert, but you pick a fair few things during a lon term injury | ||
Oxman | ... | 10-10-2013 @ 09:43 | |
Likes tight rubber Member 2981, 11067 posts SQ 242.5, BP 192.5, DL 330765.0 kgs @ 92.9kgs UnEq | stephen9069 said: That's what iv noticed with my push press because I haven't practiced it my form is slightly off but I reckon after a couple weeks form should come back and you will smash a big number EDIT: You might want to consider just unracking the push press weights working up to your potential goal when your knee is better just so that it doesn't come as a shock to the body when you unrack and go for that PB mate. Great advice as always mate, cheers, will do, I may do my one strict press session on the axle so the diameter of the bar doesn't throw me off later too. 100kg strict press will be a sweet bodyweight strict and for a crap presser like myself will be a good achievement! | ||
Oxman | ... | 10-10-2013 @ 09:46 | |
Likes tight rubber Member 2981, 11067 posts SQ 242.5, BP 192.5, DL 330765.0 kgs @ 92.9kgs UnEq | DrD said: Taping is OK aslong as it's definitely due to localised tendon inflammation and not bone deformity or bone spurs. I've had patellar tendonitis for 17 years so far. Mostly OK, but flares up a fair bit. Wider stance squats seem to reduce the pain in mine, and push presses seem to upset the most - presumably as its a very powerful movement, whereas I'm a bit smoother on the squats. It might be due to the front squats you have recently reintroduced? They put quite a bit of emphasis through the knee. I'm no knee expert, but you pick a fair few things during a lon term injury Cheers mate, pretty sure its all Tendon related mate as the pain goes away quite quickly when I roll/stretch and never had any issues before so i'll get some tape and try it out. Your right too - I think those front squats made things worse too, certainly sticking to zerchers when healed with a wide stance along with my back squats. You've suffered a long time mate, fair play for getting where you have, that sucks big time. | ||
stephen9069 | ... | 10-10-2013 @ 09:53 | |
Frequents the HOUSE of GAIN. Member 3836, 4233 posts SQ 225, BP 200, DL 300725.0 kgs @ 119kgs UnEq | Oxman said: Great advice as always mate, cheers, will do, I may do my one strict press session on the axle so the diameter of the bar doesn't throw me off later too. 100kg strict press will be a sweet bodyweight strict and for a crap presser like myself will be a good achievement! no doubt you will beat it then smash it mate with another PB lol | ||
Oxman | ... | 10-10-2013 @ 09:57 | |
Likes tight rubber Member 2981, 11067 posts SQ 242.5, BP 192.5, DL 330765.0 kgs @ 92.9kgs UnEq | stephen9069 said: no doubt you will beat it then smash it mate with another PB lol Cheers matey Would love to see my bench climb over 150 too if I can, its getting closer! As said on FB last night your bench rep PB yesterday was insane! You have to be close to getting that 200 up now, incredible stuff mate | ||
stephen9069 | ... | 10-10-2013 @ 10:08 | |
Frequents the HOUSE of GAIN. Member 3836, 4233 posts SQ 225, BP 200, DL 300725.0 kgs @ 119kgs UnEq | Oxman said: Cheers matey Would love to see my bench climb over 150 too if I can, its getting closer! As said on FB last night your bench rep PB yesterday was insane! You have to be close to getting that 200 up now, incredible stuff mate I reckon you got the 150kg there mate. 200kg will go before Christmas im determined on that lol | ||
Oxman | ... | 10-10-2013 @ 10:14 | |
Likes tight rubber Member 2981, 11067 posts SQ 242.5, BP 192.5, DL 330765.0 kgs @ 92.9kgs UnEq | stephen9069 said: I reckon you got the 150kg there mate. 200kg will go before Christmas im determined on that lol Need a vid of that - that's one hell of a bench - 500lbs going next year!!! | ||
Oxman | ... | 10-10-2013 @ 17:54 | |
Likes tight rubber Member 2981, 11067 posts SQ 242.5, BP 192.5, DL 330765.0 kgs @ 92.9kgs UnEq | Massive pressing session today! Paused Strict Press Bar x 20 50kg x 10 60kg x 5 70kg x 5 82.5kg x 3 82.5kg x 3 82.5kg x 3 82.5kg x 3 82.5kg x 3 82.5kg x 3 82.5kg x 3 82.5kg x 3 90kg x 1 95kg x f - so close its crazy! I KNOW this is there fresh now, maybe 97.5kg 90kg x 1 90kg x 1 90kg x 1 90kg x 1 82.5kg x 3 82.5kg x 3 total rep/weight PB Huge PB, 82.5kg is my 4 rep max and I banged out a total of 10 triples plus 5 singles of 90kg. Its weird as the first triple felt tough and tbh I wondered if i'd manage 5 triples but switched it on and ground it out. Plenty of work done here today I feel. Possibly time to work up to a new max now, this feels like its increasing well at long last. Maybe try for a max next week then crack on with 85kg triples, they seem to be working well. Standing Strict Lockouts - Level with top of my head 60kg x 5 80kg x 5 100kg x 1 f2 default PB 85kg x 3 85kg x 3 85kg x 3 85kg x 3 85kg x 3 90kg x 2 90kg x 2 90kg x 2 90kg x 2 90kg x 2 90kg x 2 90kg x 2 90kg x 2 90kg x 2 90kg x 3 rep PB default Oooh liking these, set right where I fail normally and feels completely different to a seated lockout, good fun and hopefully I can progress well on these and strengthen that lockout. Triceps feeling very worked by this point. Wanted to try Trap Bar Press but its too small to fit in the rack so tried... Standing Paused Strict Swiss Bar Press 60kg x 5 feels awesome 75kg x 5 again easy fast stuff 85kg x 1 default PB 90kg x 1 default PB 95kg x 1 default PB!! 100kg x 1 default PB!!!!!!!! 90kg x 2 default rep PB 85kg x 2 85kg x 2 85kg x 2 85kg x 2 85kg x 2 BOOM! 100kg strict! Can't really claim it tho as its on a swiss bar but it was very strict and 100kg moved from shoulders to lockout, mentally I feel good for getting the ton up, need it done on a normal bar now. After the 100kg it got tough but ground the work out, really really pleased! Feeling good! Paused Strict Press - Speed Sets 50kg + red band x 1 50kg + red band x 1 50kg + red band x 1 50kg + red band x 1 50kg + red band x 1 50kg + red band x 1 50kg + red band x 1 50kg + red band x 1 50kg + red band x 1 50kg + red band x 1 Tough to begin with but focused on exploding the bar and these got faster and faster and managed to outrun the band well. Standing Smith Behind Neck Press 50kg x 7 50kg x 7 50kg x 5 50kg x 5 60kg x 5 Damn tough by this point, shoulders on fire, lower back tiring. Ground the sets out tho. Seated Machine Shoulder Press 85kg x 10 85kg x 8 85kg x 8 85kg x 5 85kg x 5 As before no way 85kg in the hands but delts blitzed by these. Single Side Dumbbell Press 25kg x 8 25kg x 8 25kg x 8 15kg x 15 15kg x 15 Tough as hell despite light weight, mahoosive pumps! I did some stretching and rolling to my press muscles then my re-hab work for my knees which are feeling great today. Awesome session, possibly my biggest ever press session, all feeling pretty damn good, progress all round and knees pain free so i'm happy. Not entirely certain what i'm going to do tomorrow seeing as I can't squat, i'll figure something out possibly glute bridges, incline press, maybe some moving events, I will play it by ear, for today I did ok I think | ||
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