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Terminator		...	26-09-2011 @ 18:56
jerking is obviously great, Member 2521, 4722 posts SQ 235, BP 160, DL 290 685.0 kgs @ 111kgs UnEq	JC said: LOL. This is my bug bear with PL tbh...bench especially. I think you should have to have all your back flat to the bench, no legs, just shoulder/pec/tricep power! x 2

nathan2010		...	26-09-2011 @ 19:19
Member 1877, 183 posts SQ 160, BP 127.5, DL 200 487.5 kgs @ 100kgs UnEq	So most say its possible i think its harder than people think. Hopefuly one day i will reach them and more

Dan_Evans		...	26-09-2011 @ 19:44
Member 2793, 523 posts SQ 245, BP 175, DL 302.5 722.5 kgs @ 84kgs UnEq	As Martin said, I really don't think that those numbers are reachable by most. In my opinion, if you live and breath powerlifting and/or strongman training, then the chances are, that you are naturally good at it. As with many sports, if you find out that you are good at it, you will probably be heavily drawn to it. I'm not trying to big-up myself, or anyone else on here, but I do think that we are a very small minority.

Cuddles		...	26-09-2011 @ 19:44
Eat.Cycle.Sleep.Win Member 2, 12511 posts SQ 190, BP 150, DL 280 620.0 kgs @ 99kgs UnEq Administrator	One thing I would say, is that NONE of those goals are easy. We're all going to have one that we find harder than the other due to our different levarages, but none of those lifts is especially common, even amongst the more serious trainer and especially not amongst the non chemically assisted sample. Possible? of course, but definitely no where close to being easy.

FAT_SAM		...	27-09-2011 @ 08:40
more like 'FAT TROLL' Member 984, 6331 posts SQ 420, BP 260, DL 335 1015.0 kgs @ 165kgs UnEq	If you're getting shoulder issues from bench you need to learn how to bench. Have a look at some Dave Tate instructional videos on youtube.

happychristo		...	27-09-2011 @ 12:43
Member 2716, 23 posts SQ 215, BP 145, DL 230 590.0 kgs @ 92kgs UnEq	Post Edited: 27.09.2011 @ 12:44 PM by happychristo I think the 180kg bench and 300kg deadlift would both be tremendous achievements. To me the squat isn't on the same level. I guess it depends on what is meant by the average guy. I'm presuming this average guy has a great interest in training and is very focused on achieving these goals; he's a hard worker. I think below a certain bodyweight the average guy would never achieve any of the numbers mentioned. I think ~100kg would be the lightest that the deadlift and bench numbers could be repeatedly achieved by these tenacious but average guys. So yes in theory I think that the average guy could expect to achieve these goals. In reality though the average guy will get injured, get married, raise a family etc, do all the other things that will probably be higher on his list of priorities, all of which will prevent him from reaching the numbers mentioned.

Dan_Evans		...	27-09-2011 @ 15:48
Member 2793, 523 posts SQ 245, BP 175, DL 302.5 722.5 kgs @ 84kgs UnEq	Post Edited: 27.09.2011 @ 15:57 PM by Dan_Evans Just to put that into perspective, the world record given by the BDFPA, for the senior category in the U90s, is 690kg. The stated lifts, add up to 700kg. So basically, you guys are saying that the average guy, is potentially stronger than the current world record holder. Not convinced! To add to that, previous posters have mentioned that the squat and deadlift are out of proportion. Lets set the squat at 260. Now, we have a 740kg total!


milsy		...	27-09-2011 @ 16:21
Ne n coner a fuickex .ay ouse part we .be Member 1425, 4647 posts SQ 340, BP 227.5, DL 335 902.5 kgs @ 125kgs UnEq	Dan_Evans said:Just to put that into perspective, the world record given by the BDFPA, for the senior category in the U90s, is 690kg. The stated lifts, add up to 700kg. So basically, you guys are saying that the average guy, is potentially stronger than the current world record holder. Not convinced! To add to that, previous posters have mentioned that the squat and deadlift are out of proportion. Lets set the squat at 260. Now, we have a 740kg total! Think iv just found my new goal 740 Unequipped and drug free while I'm still a junior now that sounds like a challenge proberly die getting there haha

Dan_Evans		...	27-09-2011 @ 16:25
Member 2793, 523 posts SQ 245, BP 175, DL 302.5 722.5 kgs @ 84kgs UnEq	Post Edited: 27.09.2011 @ 16:25 PM by Dan_Evans I'll race you there, Milsy!

milsy		...	27-09-2011 @ 16:54
Ne n coner a fuickex .ay ouse part we .be Member 1425, 4647 posts SQ 340, BP 227.5, DL 335 902.5 kgs @ 125kgs UnEq	It's all about the wilks about so you win haha see what my strengths like wheb I start dropping down

IrishMarc		...	27-09-2011 @ 23:09
no really Irish Member 1196, 5908 posts SQ 312, BP 230, DL 320 862.0 kgs @ 114kgs UnEq	JC said: LOL. This is my bug bear with PL tbh...bench especially. I think you should have to have all your back flat to the bench, no legs, just shoulder/pec/tricep power! Good night sweet rotator cuffs.

Wiegieboard		...	27-09-2011 @ 23:42
as crimson as my last victims underclothing..... Member 899, 11330 posts SQ 180, BP 132.5, DL 190 502.5 kgs @ 118kgs UnEq	robocop said:No offense but why would you want a good bench and deadlift but such a gay squat, in comparison you should be looking for you squat to be as close to deadlift as possible, if not more. Tbf I think you would struggle to pull 300k with a 220k squat as they are both comparable in lower body strength One of my goals is to try and get my squat closer to my deadlift but I for one may be unlikely to hit any of these numbers.

IainKendrick		...	28-09-2011 @ 09:01
some nice relaxing jazz. Member 77, 12599 posts SQ 265, BP 165, DL 280 710.0 kgs @ 93kgs UnEq	Post Edited: 28.09.2011 @ 09:03 AM by IainKendrick Dan_Evans said:Just to put that into perspective, the world record given by the BDFPA, for the senior category in the U90s, is 690kg. The stated lifts, add up to 700kg. So basically, you guys are saying that the average guy, is potentially stronger than the current world record holder. Not convinced! To add to that, previous posters have mentioned that the squat and deadlift are out of proportion. Lets set the squat at 260. Now, we have a 740kg total! 690 is the British Record not World Record. Even if we look at WDFPF records the problem is it is not a big iternational fed. The British champs tends to have a higher standard overall than World Champs. There are people lifting in tested UK feds that would probably break the current crop of unequipped British record. Pl is a small sport. Most lifters are 'recreational'. In that they have jobs and family to contend with and don't get paid to lift. If a significant % of the population took up powerlifting full time (en par with football participants and also decided to not take drugs if thats what we are on about), you would see very big increases in standards. However I still think the 180 bench and 300 deadlift would still be above average for majority of weight classes (if we're still talking about PL). Now if everyone also decided to get as big as possible?????

Dan_Evans		...	28-09-2011 @ 12:00
Member 2793, 523 posts SQ 245, BP 175, DL 302.5 722.5 kgs @ 84kgs UnEq	IainKendrick said: 690 is the British Record not World Record. Even if we look at WDFPF records the problem is it is not a big iternational fed. The British champs tends to have a higher standard overall than World Champs. There are people lifting in tested UK feds that would probably break the current crop of unequipped British record. Pl is a small sport. Most lifters are 'recreational'. In that they have jobs and family to contend with and don't get paid to lift. If a significant % of the population took up powerlifting full time (en par with football participants and also decided to not take drugs if thats what we are on about), you would see very big increases in standards. However I still think the 180 bench and 300 deadlift would still be above average for majority of weight classes (if we're still talking about PL). Now if everyone also decided to get as big as possible????? Nope. Here's the page http://www.bdfpa.co.uk/records/Copy%20of%202011%20World%20Reco... British record (687.5kg) http://www.bdfpa.co.uk/records/GBRMUP.pdf World record (690kg) http://www.bdfpa.co.uk/records/Copy%20of%202011%20World%20Reco... Of course there would be a higher standard, if more people were competing, as the chance of finding a genetic freak would be increased. Most people that I come across, start off deadlifting 80kg, and squatting 60kg, and progress very slowly (when they do actually progress, that is), even though they are training and eating properly. Which tested, unequipped feds are you talking about? On another note, I've always been unsure about testing, as where there is a will, there is unfortunately a way. Basically, testing negative does not mean much

IainKendrick		...	28-09-2011 @ 13:38
some nice relaxing jazz. Member 77, 12599 posts SQ 265, BP 165, DL 280 710.0 kgs @ 93kgs UnEq	Fair enough that is the WR. Could have sworn a US lifter had it with over 700.. mmmmm... Makes no difference to the real thrust of my post. GBPF and BDFPA are the 2 tested UK feds. Testing is testing. It will not beat the determined cheat. That's just the cards at the moment. Most people I come across don't know what real hard training is or diet

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