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| Rick |  | ... | 22-08-2016 @ 21:41 |
 I am a bench-only guy Member 3, 10034 posts SQ 185, BP 175, DL 235595.0 kgs @ 140kgs UnEq Administrator | Steve said:That was a seriously steep looking finish at the Vuelta today 24%. For f**k's sake. I can barely SEE up that, let alone ride it. | ||
| Cuddles | | ... | 22-08-2016 @ 23:31 |
 Eat.Cycle.Sleep.Win Member 2, 12511 posts SQ 190, BP 150, DL 280620.0 kgs @ 99kgs UnEq Administrator | Post Edited: 22.08.2016 @ 23:37 PM by Cuddles Boar said:should I be doing somthing more structured at the moment ? been listening to the trainer road podcast a lot recently and (obviously) they seem to advocate doing a Base phase a couple of times until you are ready to go more specific (the sweet spot seems to be a favorite) I'm gonna do the half marathon in a few weeks but I don't think I will get close to your great half from today steve ! nice trot out ! I don't think that right now you need to be doing traditional base work, no. Well not exclusively. I think you've got a fair few 'easy' watts to exploit, and that base work would actually hold you back. If I were you I'd do the general power or sustained power build, probably twice (or maybe one then the other). I'd then do a short peak and then drop back to more base specific work - but with an advantage of a higher level to start with. I think this has significant logic to it physiologically but also mentally - I know you like hurting yourself. You won't get the challenge I think you thrive on from significant base work. I won't think about proper base work until November/December at the very earliest. | ||
| Steve |  | ... | 23-08-2016 @ 07:31 |
nothing to hide, please follow my life on webcam Member 255, 3732 posts | I'll probably follow one of the Trainerroad plans - probably switching between medium/high volume. They're 28 weeks in total and I'll add a couple of extra weeks for our holiday so start around Xmas (probably on Xmas day just to get out of the house!) As OJ said keep in some intensity for a while. You'll be bored stiff on just base before you even get started. Give the free trial of Zwift a go if it's still available. I'm sure you'll enjoy the virtual racing. And if you want to do a steady session a few laps around London or up Box Hill is far more interesting than looking at a graph (you can still see you power and keep it at whatever level you require) And as exciting as the new Kickr is get out while you can. There's plenty of time to be stuck inside over the winter | ||
| Cuddles | | ... | 23-08-2016 @ 08:13 |
Eat.Cycle.Sleep.Win Member 2, 12511 posts SQ 190, BP 150, DL 280620.0 kgs @ 99kgs UnEq Administrator | I'd also add that id consider doing the medium or high volume plans if you do one but dropping the recovery workouts as you ride your bike to work. They're really not that high in volume. | ||
| Carl | | ... | 23-08-2016 @ 08:58 |
 Loves rugby league ... Member 13, 14460 posts SQ 230, BP 180.5, DL 262.5673.0 kgs @ 128kgs UnEq Administrator | Post Edited: 23.08.2016 @ 08:59 AM by Carl hit 60kph on a reasonable downhill yesterday and nearly s**t my pants.how guys go much more than that without crapping themselves is beyond me | ||
| little_a | | ... | 23-08-2016 @ 09:06 |
 still a devious weightlifting bastard Member 43, 14374 posts | Carl said:hit 60kph on a reasonable downhill yesterday and nearly s**t my pants. how guys go much more than that without crapping themselves is beyond me I know I don't. I've probably topped out at that and no more. I bought a bike with disc brakes for a reason  | ||
| Cuddles | | ... | 23-08-2016 @ 09:47 |
Eat.Cycle.Sleep.Win Member 2, 12511 posts SQ 190, BP 150, DL 280620.0 kgs @ 99kgs UnEq Administrator | Carl said:hit 60kph on a reasonable downhill yesterday and nearly s**t my pants. how guys go much more than that without crapping themselves is beyond me I often hit 60 on one of my commute routes, after a while it stars to feel pretty normal. 95 on the other hand.... I'm not sure that'll ever feel normal! | ||
| Carl | | ... | 23-08-2016 @ 09:52 |
Loves rugby league ... Member 13, 14460 posts SQ 230, BP 180.5, DL 262.5673.0 kgs @ 128kgs UnEq Administrator | i guess the road surface makes a huge difference to the feel. | ||
| Carl | | ... | 23-08-2016 @ 10:14 |
Loves rugby league ... Member 13, 14460 posts SQ 230, BP 180.5, DL 262.5673.0 kgs @ 128kgs UnEq Administrator | little_a said: I know I don't. I've probably topped out at that and no more. I bought a bike with disc brakes for a reason I discoloured the rotors trying to stop at the bottom  thats what the extra weight will do!Looking at these as an upgrade - http://www.bikeradar.com/road/gear/category/components/brake-c... | ||
| Steve | | ... | 23-08-2016 @ 16:46 |
nothing to hide, please follow my life on webcam Member 255, 3732 posts | Cuddles said:I can imagine the frustration. One thing I would add though is that I don't trust the 'power curve' figures from turbos. I don't know a single person that has found them accurate and consistent in real life conditions. I was going to write to boar in this thread that he should just completely disregard his old 'numbers' but never got round to it. Temperature differences can have a huge difference, hence why power meters have a built in temperature correction algorithm. I also know people who have replaced their turbo with the exact same model and found it to have a different power curve. I think you need yourself a kickr mate. I'll buy your wheels off you so you can afford it if you like  Kickr is definitely on the shopping list. Just need to decide whether to follow Boar's example and buy it straight away or wait a couple of weeks on the off chance there is something new. Also new Bushido to sell! | ||
| Steve | | ... | 23-08-2016 @ 16:47 |
nothing to hide, please follow my life on webcam Member 255, 3732 posts | Carl said: I discoloured the rotors trying to stop at the bottom thats what the extra weight will do!Looking at these as an upgrade - http://www.bikeradar.com/road/gear/category/components/brake-c... Are the cable disks not very effective? | ||
| Cuddles | | ... | 23-08-2016 @ 17:09 |
Eat.Cycle.Sleep.Win Member 2, 12511 posts SQ 190, BP 150, DL 280620.0 kgs @ 99kgs UnEq Administrator | My understanding of the brakes, and the physics involved is their true stopping power is identical but the modulation and ability to apply their true stopping power more quickly improves. Hence why they are so popular in off road riding. On the road you only ever need that in an emergency stop and you'll likely be coming off whatever brakes you are using. Personally my rim brakes can stop me fast enough to throw me over the handlebars. I don't need any more stopping power. The only true advantage on the road is in the wet when rims, especially carbon, can get a bit sketchy. | ||
| Cuddles | | ... | 23-08-2016 @ 17:19 |
Eat.Cycle.Sleep.Win Member 2, 12511 posts SQ 190, BP 150, DL 280620.0 kgs @ 99kgs UnEq Administrator | Carl said: I discoloured the rotors trying to stop at the bottom thats what the extra weight will do!You realise that the forces will be the same on the rotors no matter what set you have on right? I'd suggest that you were braking far too fast to be honest. | ||
| Cuddles | | ... | 23-08-2016 @ 17:23 |
Eat.Cycle.Sleep.Win Member 2, 12511 posts SQ 190, BP 150, DL 280620.0 kgs @ 99kgs UnEq Administrator | That said, I don't rate the discs on the CAAD X. That set you linked to look very good value. | ||
| Boar | | ... | 23-08-2016 @ 18:31 |
 Walk your talk Member 5, 25557 posts Administrator | cheers for the advice ! I will be looking into it after the half marathon in September ... well today I finally paid the price of doing loads of sessions on the kickr !! had 2 bail. after my wife bought a new front door then booked in a landscaper to do our garden (I am just too busy)(busy on my new turbo) I knew it was time to buy a kickr even though the bushido has served you well , If you are pondering a kickr , just dive in , I actually didn't tell the wife until she went in the shed and saw the massive box  | ||
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