The difference between amercians and english soldiers

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Hayden		The difference between amercians and english soldiers	07-06-2007 @ 01:04
memories , like the corners of my mind .... Member 49, 2298 posts SQ 200, BP 132.5, DL 220 552.5 kgs @ 123kgs UnEq	Post Edited: 07.06.2007 @ 01:07 AM American soldiers http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=24dca4fb2b English soldiers http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2c1_1174004823 I love the end english soldiers video. Only us english could be so .... well english. Still no one should have to go through that, my uncle and cousin are both serving there and i hope they get home very soon.

Joni		...	07-06-2007 @ 08:20
left the country satisfied Member 10, 19241 posts SQ 240, BP 150, DL 270 660.0 kgs @ 107kgs UnEq	s*t, quite powerful vids man and wee* bit different from the BBC style army propaganda stuff of folk smiling and being brave... What a mess...

littlegirlbunny		...	07-06-2007 @ 09:24
MIA Member 7, 621 posts SQ 80, BP 45, DL 125 250.0 kgs @ 55kgs UnEq	Thanks for posting those links. Yeah, quite a difference!

IainKendrick		...	07-06-2007 @ 10:24
some nice relaxing jazz. Member 77, 12599 posts SQ 265, BP 165, DL 280 710.0 kgs @ 93kgs UnEq	They were powerfull vids when you think about what some people are going, and have gone through. All the best to anyone that has friends and familly out there! I was half excpecting them to brew up at the end lol!

Hayden		...	07-06-2007 @ 10:52
memories , like the corners of my mind .... Member 49, 2298 posts SQ 200, BP 132.5, DL 220 552.5 kgs @ 123kgs UnEq	Ye guys this whole situation with iraq in my opinion has gotten waaay out of hand and it basically is as jonny describes 'a mess'. I think the occupation could last atleast anbother 5 years or so.

Neil		...	07-06-2007 @ 11:16
For Kettle, For Country! Member 81, 1706 posts SQ 182.5, BP 120, DL 227.5 530.0 kgs @ 90kgs UnEq	It's a fked up situation that's for sure. I've no idea how I'd cope being mortared apart from I'm fairly sure I wouldn't be praying, but I WOULD be stting my pants.

Joni		...	07-06-2007 @ 11:47
left the country satisfied Member 10, 19241 posts SQ 240, BP 150, DL 270 660.0 kgs @ 107kgs UnEq	of course would be good to get a similar kind of video from a family who gets bombed to fk by some aerial bombing 10 000 feet away and a squadron of marines shoting couple hundred rounds of ammo to their house. but i guess those guys dont have cam corders, and would speak a weird language anyway... so if these guys are stting themselves in these vids with all the protection, armored vehicles, helmets, vests, vastly superios firepower, good medics etc, imagine how the folk must feel who have their children next to them and you know you wont get out alive...


Neil		...	07-06-2007 @ 13:36
For Kettle, For Country! Member 81, 1706 posts SQ 182.5, BP 120, DL 227.5 530.0 kgs @ 90kgs UnEq	Indeed.

Carl		...	08-06-2007 @ 08:23
Loves rugby league ... Member 13, 14460 posts SQ 230, BP 180.5, DL 262.5 673.0 kgs @ 128kgs UnEq Administrator	or not my dad got back from iraq last week, he was mortared every day without fail, imagine going through 7 months of someone trying to kill you every day? One of the guys in my dads attachment sadly died in iraq, so it's not like it's still safe over there. i'm sorry but i dont think you implying that people who live in iraq are being treated the same way as the soldiers there i.e being shot at every day, in either of them videos did you see an american or british soldier shoot anyone?

Joni		...	08-06-2007 @ 08:30
left the country satisfied Member 10, 19241 posts SQ 240, BP 150, DL 270 660.0 kgs @ 107kgs UnEq	aiit, well the death toll is still about 20 to 1 locals vs occupying forces (even after taking out all the sectarian killings), so someone is doing a lot of shooting, or maybe aerial bombing. And the fact that US and UK soldiers get shot and bombed all the time makes it more "understandable" even if not acceptable that soldiers become trigger happy and most locals who get killed are civilians. That is of course not going to make the occupying forces very popular and the popularity/acceptance figures have been falling all the time.

purplepaul		...	08-06-2007 @ 13:20
has free and readily available gothic porn Member 29, 1088 posts SQ 1, BP 100, DL 200 301.0 kgs @ 103kgs UnEq	i would love to join up and go out there but as i have young kids now it wouldnt be fair on them and the wife if anything happened to me if i wasn't married and had kids i would join up tomorrow i was in thre R.A.F when i left school one of the bigest mistakes of my life was leaving

Carl		...	08-06-2007 @ 18:19
Loves rugby league ... Member 13, 14460 posts SQ 230, BP 180.5, DL 262.5 673.0 kgs @ 128kgs UnEq Administrator	Originally posted by Joni... aiit, well the death toll is still about 20 to 1 locals vs occupying forces (even after taking out all the sectarian killings), so someone is doing a lot of shooting, or maybe aerial bombing. where do you get your figures from? consider the amount of people living in iraq and the amount of soldiers there, consider how long they are there for, consider the insurgents, saddam was ordering people to be killed befoire he was captured

Joni		...	08-06-2007 @ 21:03
left the country satisfied Member 10, 19241 posts SQ 240, BP 150, DL 270 660.0 kgs @ 107kgs UnEq	i dont understand what you are asking to consider mate? because if you consider how many people are in iraq, 27 million, and how few occupying forces, 300k +, that makes it even worse. First trouble is of course that no one counts civilian deaths in Iraq - there are too many to count, it is politically damaging for UK and US to count them, or simply they dont care. Whereas every occupying force casualty is documented down to last detail. So if there are couple thousand deaths in the occupying forces so far, and then the conservative estimated by iraqbodycount.org puts the civilian death toll by occupying forces to 61-71k, that would give the ratio of 1 to 30+ (i was just being very generous and conservative with the 1 to 20 estimation because i didnt want to be accused of overestimating). Lancet, the medical scientific journal, estimated the death toll to already 500-600k, and i think they estimated about 30% by occupying forces fire, so the worst case scenario would be 200k dead from occupying forces.

Carl		...	08-06-2007 @ 21:46
Loves rugby league ... Member 13, 14460 posts SQ 230, BP 180.5, DL 262.5 673.0 kgs @ 128kgs UnEq Administrator	http://www.iraqbodycount.net/ http://icasualties.org/oif/default.aspx these show your original idea of 20 iraqi's for every 1 coalition soldier true 300,000 troops 27,000,000 iraqis thats 100 times more iraqis than troops, and 20 times more iraqi deaths, thats the point i was getting at either way i think we should draw a line under this, your not gonna change your views and neither am i

brynevans		...	09-06-2007 @ 13:14
Scotbasher - forever Member 59, 2115 posts	A good friend of mine has just returned from Iraq for about the 4th time since it started and he reports it being far worse than it has ever been now. They were constantly being fired upon and in one situation while moving some very heavy equipment relatively slowly they came under RPG attack. Iraqis were popping up over walls to fire at them so they were having to machine gun anything that moved in passageways and over walls to prevent attacks. It must be remembered too that many of the westerners out there are not regular army. They are civilians (usually ex army) working as private contractors for some of the US security companies but often accompaning Govt troops.

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