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| BigMacca |  | ... | 22-11-2020 @ 23:07 |
 understanding of the sport, little he has. Member 798, 9944 posts SQ 260, BP 150, DL 272.5682.5 kgs @ 82.5kgs UnEq | luki said: BigMacca said:Here's an analysis done by the CDC... http://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/more/masking-science-... This is an observational study. There is no control group to measure against. These are notoriously unreliable. . It's not, it's a meta analysis of several observational studies. If you're waiting for a peer reviewed, double blind study on the effectiveness of face coverings preventing the spread on COVID 19 you will be waiting for a while .. | ||
| Ham |  | ... | 23-11-2020 @ 11:05 |
Ham but hey Member 4787, 205 posts | Anyone else seen people pulling masks from their pockets, dropping them on the floor then picking them up and putting them on? I have seen this at least three times of late. Seems a lot unhelpful. I am also curious why people think protecting people from Covid by wearing masks is more important than protecting them from seasonal flu? I mean, no one I have ever spoken to has ever worried about passing flu around enough to wear a mask let alone harass others for not wearing one. Flu definitely kills a lot of vulnerable people each year from respiratory complications, why haven't any mask advocates ever pushed for this or even raised the issue in the past? Seems all very hypocritical to me. It's not like we don't know flu kills s**t loads of folk each year. | ||
| Rick | | ... | 23-11-2020 @ 11:14 |
 I am a bench-only guy Member 3, 10036 posts SQ 185, BP 175, DL 235595.0 kgs @ 140kgs UnEq Administrator | luki said: Mateusz Kieliszkowski got sent home from WSM 2020 after had 2 positive and 2 negative tests. I would assume those were the same 30-minute screening tests that Elon Musk was complaining about. My understanding is that these are designed to give false negatives, and trigger only for people likely to be highly infectious. If he got two positives on these, he had it and was infectious, end of. | ||
| Rick | | ... | 23-11-2020 @ 11:18 |
I am a bench-only guy Member 3, 10036 posts SQ 185, BP 175, DL 235595.0 kgs @ 140kgs UnEq Administrator | Ham, I haven't studied it, but I don't think we think flu is heavily spread by asymptomatic individuals - and vulnerable people get a reasonably effective vaccine. Two big differences there. It's also worth noting that the IFR from flu appears to be an order of magnitude lower, on top of vaccine availability and considerable population immunity. But I agree that we could and probably should do more. Many Asian countries habitually wear masks in winter illness season, and perhaps we should too - and CERTAINLY if showing symptoms. | ||
| dannyboy73 | | ... | 23-11-2020 @ 17:15 |
Mask it or Casket !! Member 4600, 8166 posts SQ 240, BP 162.5, DL 255657.5 kgs @ 90.5kgs UnEq | Post Edited: 23.11.2020 @ 19:55 PM by dannyboy73 they also used meta-analysis to justify mask wearing...also utterly flawed due to restrictions and ethics...BigMacca said: It's not, it's a meta analysis of several observational studies. If you're waiting for a peer reviewed, double blind study on the effectiveness of face coverings preventing the spread on COVID 19 you will be waiting for a while .. | ||
| dannyboy73 | | ... | 23-11-2020 @ 17:19 |
Mask it or Casket !! Member 4600, 8166 posts SQ 240, BP 162.5, DL 255657.5 kgs @ 90.5kgs UnEq | Post Edited: 23.11.2020 @ 17:23 PM by dannyboy73 yes, the reason? maybe that so may people dont agree with wearing them but comply (therefore comply half-hearted).for example, my wife a former research scientist says masks are uttery useless. she however, wears them to not cause a fuss. i think we are going though a massive culture change. some liberties may be further reduced. its a time widow of oppertunity for world governments to make rapid change. who knows? no one on this thread. Ham said:Anyone else seen people pulling masks from their pockets, dropping them on the floor then picking them up and putting them on? | ||
| dannyboy73 | | ... | 23-11-2020 @ 19:02 |
Mask it or Casket !! Member 4600, 8166 posts SQ 240, BP 162.5, DL 255657.5 kgs @ 90.5kgs UnEq | Post Edited: 23.11.2020 @ 19:04 PM by dannyboy73 its being widely reported that gyms will be re-opening 2nd dec.some good news at least. | ||
| Rick | | ... | 23-11-2020 @ 19:05 |
I am a bench-only guy Member 3, 10036 posts SQ 185, BP 175, DL 235595.0 kgs @ 140kgs UnEq Administrator | Hugely amused by the people linking mask wearing to civil liberties and repressive government. Dude. They've spent millions installing CCTV everywhere and developing effective facial recognition. If you want a panopticon state, masks are a pain in the proverbial. | ||
| dannyboy73 | | ... | 23-11-2020 @ 19:24 |
Mask it or Casket !! Member 4600, 8166 posts SQ 240, BP 162.5, DL 255657.5 kgs @ 90.5kgs UnEq | thats just me i think you do realise that your opinion is just that...an opinion? your final point was good enough to make me think though. but as masks dont do that much what else is there except repression? i expect the initial point was to get the worried well back out and about. thats more likely closer to the truth. Rick said:Hugely amused by the people linking mask wearing to civil liberties and repressive government. Dude. They've spent millions installing CCTV everywhere and developing effective facial recognition. If you want a panopticon state, masks are a pain in the proverbial. | ||
| Rick | | ... | 23-11-2020 @ 19:35 |
I am a bench-only guy Member 3, 10036 posts SQ 185, BP 175, DL 235595.0 kgs @ 140kgs UnEq Administrator | dannyboy73 said:masks dont do that much You keep saying that. It keeps being demonstrably not true. Kind of boring now. | ||
| dannyboy73 | | ... | 23-11-2020 @ 19:40 |
Mask it or Casket !! Member 4600, 8166 posts SQ 240, BP 162.5, DL 255657.5 kgs @ 90.5kgs UnEq | Post Edited: 23.11.2020 @ 19:41 PM by dannyboy73 snap.Im stuck on the mask thing. However, saying someone is wrong doesnt make you right... this is where you are stuck if you dont want to talk masks anymore then just stop... Rick said: You keep saying that. It keeps being demonstrably not true. Kind of boring now. | ||
| Wayne_Cowdrey | | ... | 23-11-2020 @ 19:56 |
 Still got a little bit of strength Member 400, 22073 posts | dannyboy73 said: its being widely reported that gyms will be re-opening 2nd dec. some good news at least. I really hope so. I NEED to be reacquainted with the sissy apparatus. | ||
| Wayne_Cowdrey | | ... | 23-11-2020 @ 20:13 |
Still got a little bit of strength Member 400, 22073 posts | I do comply with mask wearing (on a bare minimum basis), but I do find myself fiddling/readjusting, which is probably not good. My hands are touching my face more than they would otherwise. | ||
| Rick | | ... | 23-11-2020 @ 20:45 |
I am a bench-only guy Member 3, 10036 posts SQ 185, BP 175, DL 235595.0 kgs @ 140kgs UnEq Administrator | dannyboy73 said:snap. However, saying someone is wrong doesnt make you right... this is where you are stuck You're absolutely right. But the data is out there. Thousands of competent people have analysed it. They essentially all agree. Either you think that almost every study has falsified their data, or you think that almost every trained analyst is lying. I'm using the word "think" very wrongly here, at this point. | ||
| WILLSAN | | ... | 23-11-2020 @ 21:16 |
 Trump will get another four years Member 126, 16707 posts SQ 160, BP 110, DL 225495.0 kgs @ 75kgs UnEq | Rick said:Hugely amused by the people linking mask wearing to civil liberties and repressive government. Dude. They've spent millions installing CCTV everywhere and developing effective facial recognition. If you want a panopticon state, masks are a pain in the proverbial. I am not saying this is my view..but playing devils advocate from the conspiracy theorists point of view, the masks as you rightly point out would be nothing to do with the surveillance state. they would however be a tool in a divide and conquer strategy. the populace is spilt into two parts, the compliant and the non-compliant. masks are perfect as a visual cue as to which 'side' you are on. if the government can create enough fear in the compliant population they will turn on the non-compliant thereby enforcing the governments will without the need for more direct action by the state itself. masks would just be the first step in the erosion of civil liberties. if the strategy of propagating fear worked well enough the government could, in theory, convince the compliant populace that things like forced or coerced quarantines and vaccinations for the non-compliant were absolutely necessary. the ussr relied on creating divisions and mistrust in its populations using citizen informers to maintain social control and divide and conquer strategies have been common throughout history so it has precedent. the conspiracy theorist might see the acrimonious nature of this thread as a microcosm of the above in action. | ||
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