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| bigdave30 |  | coan deadlift programme used 4 overhead.. | 04-07-2012 @ 09:26 |
| Avatar not found if I had a hat on I would take it off Member 3343, 1045 posts SQ 330, BP 170, DL 350850.0 kgs @ 141.8kgs Eq | iv been usin the coan method 4 deads and i can gladly say its worked, i hit a 250kg dead over 10 wks, and now im on my second go now to get a 265kg pb... anyway, im looking 4 a solid overhead programme 2 get my push press pb up.. iv tried wendler 531, didn get on with it, i was wondering hav any of u tried the coan routine 4 any other exercise.. ie.. push press.. i was thinking of keepin all the reps/sets/rest the same and usin the following as assistance 1. dumbell press 2. upright row 3. incline chest press (dumb or bar) 4. side laterals any good??? will it work?? ur thoughts plz gentlemaen......... | ||
| Rusev | | ... | 04-07-2012 @ 13:21 |
Can still nail the snatch Member 168, 758 posts SQ 205, BP 90, DL 202.5497.5 kgs @ 74kgs UnEq | I am guessing it would work on squat etc so why not clean and press - try it and report back | ||
| BigKen | | ... | 04-07-2012 @ 13:41 |
 Not in Loz's top 10 uk strongmen Member 144, 4421 posts SQ 320, BP 165, DL 350835.0 kgs @ 123kgs Eq | You'd need to tailor it to your specific weaknesses to gain the full benefit, not just random exercises. Shoot me a pm, and we can chat once I'm home from China next Tuesday if you want. | ||
| slimsim | | ... | 04-07-2012 @ 13:47 |
My asshole is not watertight. Member 2926, 6050 posts SQ 217.5, BP 107.5, DL 225550.0 kgs @ 86kgs UnEq | Personally, I don't think it will work unless you changing the speed reps %'s. I actually had this conversation with someone who tried it and they agreed. The speed work doesn't really fit for push presses because it's already a semi-explosive movement so to use 60-75% of your 1rm would be really easy and you would either have to reduce the amount of leg drive you use or you would end up almost jerking the weight straight to arms length. I think it can work work but you'd probably have to use %'s around 85%+ and then you're not really doing the coan/philippi routine, you're almost doing multiple straight sets. | ||
| BigKen | | ... | 04-07-2012 @ 14:03 |
Not in Loz's top 10 uk strongmen Member 144, 4421 posts SQ 320, BP 165, DL 350835.0 kgs @ 123kgs Eq | There are ways to get round the speed probs. Tbh, I wouldn't use a specific routine its all about weaknesses etc. The reason Coan works is because it targets strengthening general weaknesses most people have so the general outcome of the routine shall always be a positive gain. | ||
| bigdave30 | | ... | 04-07-2012 @ 14:13 |
| Avatar not found if I had a hat on I would take it off Member 3343, 1045 posts SQ 330, BP 170, DL 350850.0 kgs @ 141.8kgs Eq | i understand what ur saying guys, wot if i ditched the speed part and changed it 2 strict presses?? | ||
| Rob_Bush | | ... | 04-07-2012 @ 14:23 |
 Member 1323, 449 posts SQ 270, BP 210, DL 320800.0 kgs @ 120kgs UnEq | bigdave30 said:iv been usin the coan method 4 deads and i can gladly say its worked, i hit a 250kg dead over 10 wks, and now im on my second go now to get a 265kg pb... anyway, im looking 4 a solid overhead programme 2 get my push press pb up.. iv tried wendler 531, didn get on with it, i was wondering hav any of u tried the coan routine 4 any other exercise.. ie.. push press.. i was thinking of keepin all the reps/sets/rest the same and usin the following as assistance 1. dumbell press 2. upright row 3. incline chest press (dumb or bar) 4. side laterals any good??? will it work?? ur thoughts plz gentlemaen......... A good combination of the below split between gym training and events day helped me build a decent base for shoulder strength. Log: Full clean and press for max or reps Strict log off the chest for max or reps One motioned log for cardio Incline log for front delt, upper chest and tricep development Axle: Full clean and press for max or reps Strict axle off the chest for max or reps Barbell: Full clean and press for max or reps Barbell from rack off the chest for max or reps Behind the neck press for max or reps Seated barbell from dead stop (chest to chin level) max or reps Big Dumbbell: Alternate hands and for max or reps Start worrying about blocks and kegs if they feature in an up and coming comp you've entered as they don't need to be staple of your shoulder train in my opinion. | ||
| BigKen | | ... | 04-07-2012 @ 14:30 |
Not in Loz's top 10 uk strongmen Member 144, 4421 posts SQ 320, BP 165, DL 350835.0 kgs @ 123kgs Eq | You don't need two strict presses, in the grand scheme of things its the assistance muscles which build a press | ||
| shanejer | | ... | 04-07-2012 @ 14:33 |
Member 1307, 14110 posts SQ 355, BP 240, DL 370965.0 kgs @ 102kgs UnEq | if there was a video of your push press it would be more helpfull if your technique and drive is dire then speed work at 70% may work as it will allow you to get the timing correct etc | ||
| martinb | | ... | 04-07-2012 @ 14:38 |
 Grass fed Member 1147, 7710 posts SQ 220, BP 185, DL 272.5677.5 kgs @ 113kgs UnEq | BigKen said:You don't need two strict presses, in the grand scheme of things its the assistance muscles which build a press You think? No offence, but your floor press and other bench work have not come on that much, but your axle has come on leaps and bounds. Do you really think those things have helped? | ||
| ursus | | ... | 04-07-2012 @ 14:39 |
 Man up and have a fuckin coffee Member 2086, 9717 posts SQ 340, BP 252.5, DL 300892.5 kgs @ 158kgs UnEq | everyones different and pick the valid one for you,as the fellas above my post clearly know what they are doing ,but my main priority in pressing is to build the greatest shoulder strength physically possible (first)and that consists to me of strict pressing all objects followed by a couple of sets of push presses with 80% max weight . You dint grow strong shoulders by push pressing/jerking a bar you just get good at chucking a bar overhead. Watching Radz and Z shows just how valid the strict press is !! | ||
| VanillaGorilla | | ... | 04-07-2012 @ 14:46 |
 the UK's leading expert in bio mechanics Member 1973, 7379 posts | ursus said:everyones different and pick the valid one for you,as the fellas above my post clearly know what they are doing ,but my main priority in pressing is to build the greatest shoulder strength physically possible (first)and that consists to me of strict pressing all objects followed by a couple of sets of push presses with 80% max weight . You dint grow strong shoulders by push pressing/jerking a bar you just get good at chucking a bar overhead. Watching Radz and Z shows just how valid the strict press is !! I have to agree with this. My push press on a bar has improved no end over the last year or two. My log, axle etc haven't. Why? Just been getting better at getting a barbell.overhead with efficient technique. Lately I've been doing, for want of a better phrase, more tricep and delt stimulating pressing work. And combined with a few technical changes my log has started moving forward again... I've looked to Jay and Dave Meer, both awesome at axle, log and db. What do they have in common? Lots of strength dependant pressing, not just technique dependant pressing. Not sure what this adds to the thread  | ||
| Duncan | | ... | 04-07-2012 @ 14:48 |
 deadlift 300kg conventional ? never gonna happen Member 414, 1127 posts SQ 275, BP 187.5, DL 317.5780.0 kgs @ 115kgs Eq | martinb said: You think? No offence, but your floor press and other bench work have not come on that much, but your axle has come on leaps and bounds. Do you really think those things have helped? Things don't have to go up 50kg for them to help. I'm sure his FP is up about 20kg. also, his lockouts are way up, which is why is log and axle are up. If you looked at vids of him he's always had the leg strength to get it up to lockout but never had the triceps to finish. | ||
| martinb | | ... | 04-07-2012 @ 14:49 |
Grass fed Member 1147, 7710 posts SQ 220, BP 185, DL 272.5677.5 kgs @ 113kgs UnEq | Duncan said: Things don't have to go up 50kg for them to help. I'm sure his FP is up about 20kg. also, his lockouts are way up, which is why is log and axle are up. If you looked at vids of him he's always had the leg strength to get it up to lockout but never had the triceps to finish. ah, cheers Dunc, I thought you would know! | ||
| Duncan | | ... | 04-07-2012 @ 14:49 |
deadlift 300kg conventional ? never gonna happen Member 414, 1127 posts SQ 275, BP 187.5, DL 317.5780.0 kgs @ 115kgs Eq | I said: Things don't have to go up 50kg for them to help. I'm sure his FP is up about 20kg. also, his lockouts are way up, which is why is log and axle are up. If you looked at vids of him he's always had the leg strength to get it up to lockout but never had the triceps to finish. Its often one little thing that is missing. if you fix this you would be amazed at how much it increases.... | ||