Why we get fat and what to do about it

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Steve		Why we get fat and what to do about it	13-09-2011 @ 22:47
nothing to hide, please follow my life on webcam Member 255, 3732 posts	New book by Gary Taubes - "Why we get fat and what to do about it" - interesting reading if you're willing to read it without pre judging. Taubes claims we don't gt fat because we eat too much, we eat too much because we get fat and thats carbs, not fats arre responsible for weight gain - it would certainly explain why current diet recommendations are generally so unsuccessful. It may be right - it might be completely wrong. It would be nice if mainstream doctors and dieticians would read it with an open mind and given a properly explained response to the claims.

martin		...	14-09-2011 @ 08:39
Why not just not get fat in the first place? Member 132, 1406 posts SQ 331, BP 200, DL 320 851.0 kgs @ 98kgs UnEq	Sounds good. People in certain circles are starting to accept that there is more to our weight gain problems than simply eating too much.

IrishMarc		...	14-09-2011 @ 09:12
no really Irish Member 1196, 5908 posts SQ 312, BP 230, DL 320 862.0 kgs @ 114kgs UnEq	Read that book earlier this year very good read. His other book good calories bad calories is apparently a non condensed version of his current book.

martin		...	14-09-2011 @ 13:03
Why not just not get fat in the first place? Member 132, 1406 posts SQ 331, BP 200, DL 320 851.0 kgs @ 98kgs UnEq	Thanks for the videos. I may have to order his book. Although I really dont think it's a possibility telling everyone to cut carbs from their diets.

Cuddles		...	14-09-2011 @ 13:37
Eat.Cycle.Sleep.Win Member 2, 12511 posts SQ 190, BP 150, DL 280 620.0 kgs @ 99kgs UnEq Administrator	I may be looking at this from far too simplistic a viewpoint. But if carbs are the evil that they are portrayed to be in some circles, then why, when carbs made up 70-90% of our diets, was everyone not overweight? BTW, I havent read this book, or watched these videos, and I AM in favour of limiting carbs when trying to lose weight. I just think the above is a question that I've never seen a satisfactory answer to.

JohnGym		...	14-09-2011 @ 14:10
Hamstrings feel activated. Member 1107, 6964 posts SQ 220, BP 152.5, DL 252.5 625.0 kgs @ 93kgs UnEq	Post Edited: 14.09.2011 @ 14:11 PM by JohnGym Cuddles said:I may be looking at this from far too simplistic a viewpoint. But if carbs are the evil that they are portrayed to be in some circles, then why, when carbs made up 70-90% of our diets, was everyone not overweight? BTW, I havent read this book, or watched these videos, and I AM in favour of limiting carbs when trying to lose weight. I just think the above is a question that I've never seen a satisfactory answer to. The source of carbs where very different and had a very different GI.. EG - Oats or Mars Bar, Potato or minstrels. rice or coke. It is the type of carbs which cause the issue today, not carbs in general. Bodybuilders still eat potato, rice and oats to get ripped.

Cuddles		...	14-09-2011 @ 14:17
Eat.Cycle.Sleep.Win Member 2, 12511 posts SQ 190, BP 150, DL 280 620.0 kgs @ 99kgs UnEq Administrator	So is the advice in this book/videos to eat lots of carbs, just make sure they are complex? That wasn't the impression that I got from Steve's post or the subsequent responses and it certainly doesn't fit into the 21st Century fascination with Ketosis and zero carb diets. Not eating carbs vs eating potatoes and rice is a pretty big difference. For me, reducing carb consumption to cut fat is very logical. To suggeat that we all got fat because of eating too many carbs isn't.


JohnGym		...	14-09-2011 @ 14:32
Hamstrings feel activated. Member 1107, 6964 posts SQ 220, BP 152.5, DL 252.5 625.0 kgs @ 93kgs UnEq	Post Edited: 14.09.2011 @ 14:33 PM by JohnGym Cuddles said:So is the advice in this book/videos to eat lots of carbs, just make sure they are complex? That wasn't the impression that I got from Steve's post or the subsequent responses and it certainly doesn't fit into the 21st Century fascination with Ketosis and zero carb diets. Not eating carbs vs eating potatoes and rice is a pretty big difference. For me, reducing carb consumption to cut fat is very logical. To suggeat that we all got fat because of eating too many carbs isn't. I don't know. I didn't read the book and I didn't watch the video. All this Zero carb stuff is nonsense. People don't get fat eating low GI carbs, they get fat eating too many calories. End of. Competitive bodybuilders eat Low GI carbs. Competitive athletes eat Low GI carbs, Competitive football players eat Low GI carbs. All are lean. Nobody ever got anywhere in an athletic endeavour without carbs.

Cuddles		...	14-09-2011 @ 14:40
Eat.Cycle.Sleep.Win Member 2, 12511 posts SQ 190, BP 150, DL 280 620.0 kgs @ 99kgs UnEq Administrator	JohnGym said: I don't know. I didn't read the book and I didn't watch the video. All this Zero carb stuff is nonsense. People don't get fat eating low GI carbs, they get fat eating too many calories. End of. Competitive bodybuilders eat Low GI carbs. Competitive athletes eat Low GI carbs, Competitive football players eat Low GI carbs. All are lean. Nobody ever got anywhere in an athletic endeavour without carbs. Ar ok, I thought you had read it. I am not disagreeing with anything you are saying. The posts above seem to suggest that the books/vidoes however do disagree. Hence my questions. I would add, that plenty of athletes are very lean AND consume high GI carbs. In fact if you are a competitive athelte and are limiting yourself to low GI carbs then you are more than likely not eating optimally for training and recovery. Still, all of agreeeing with eachother is here nor there! my questions were in relation to this guy and his ideas.

PeteHodgson		...	14-09-2011 @ 14:43
Has little understanding of the sugden Member 677, 11338 posts SQ 165, BP 125, DL 220 510.0 kgs @ 80kgs UnEq	Sounds pretty good, but from what I've just watched the take home message seems to be: eat less carbs, and limit refined carbs to an absolute minimum, or preferably none. Lots of people already subscribe to that way of thinking, but doing it is something else. Like he says in the video, omit the refined carbs for 3 weeks and see how you get on. I think things like this are much easier to do if you live by yourself and have only your own dietry needs to think of. In the real world it' more difficult to implement. Martin, can I borrow the book if you get it please?

JohnGym		...	14-09-2011 @ 14:50
Hamstrings feel activated. Member 1107, 6964 posts SQ 220, BP 152.5, DL 252.5 625.0 kgs @ 93kgs UnEq	Post Edited: 14.09.2011 @ 14:50 PM by JohnGym Cuddles said: I would add, that plenty of athletes are very lean AND consume high GI carbs. Very true indeed.

b_rex		...	14-09-2011 @ 14:56
jogging bottoms are like sweat pants Member 935, 972 posts SQ 220, BP 120, DL 227.5 567.5 kgs @ 97.6kgs UnEq	Cuddles said:For me, reducing carb consumption to cut fat is very logical. To suggeat that we all got fat because of eating too many carbs isn't. Exactly. Carbs can mess with your insulin sensitivity which can cause problems with fat gain, but in the end you still need a caloric surplus to gain weight - it's simple maths. If you eat too much of anything then you will gain weight.

PeteHodgson		...	14-09-2011 @ 14:57
Has little understanding of the sugden Member 677, 11338 posts SQ 165, BP 125, DL 220 510.0 kgs @ 80kgs UnEq	The 'calorie in versus calorie out' theory may be too simplistic as Taubes suggests, but it still has some merit. You can't expect to get lean by eating no/very little carbs if you still vastly overconsume calories.

JC		...	14-09-2011 @ 15:08
technical retard Member 172, 36827 posts SQ 310, BP 205, DL 335 850.0 kgs @ 108kgs UnEq	b_rex said: but in the end you still need a caloric surplus to gain weight - it's simple maths. If you eat too much of anything then you will gain weight. You dont need to be Einstein to workout why we have an increasingly obese population Bad food choices and/or food consumption timings Lack of exercise Excessive portion sizes Simples

Steve		...	14-09-2011 @ 16:01
nothing to hide, please follow my life on webcam Member 255, 3732 posts	JC said: You dont need to be Einstein to workout why we have an increasingly obese population Bad food choices and/or food consumption timings Lack of exercise Excessive portion sizes Simples Very many experts would disagree with you - mainstream doctors & dieticians claiming food choice doesn't matter, it's simply calories in/ calories out whilst low carb advocates claim calories doesn't matter it's food choice that makes a difference. I suspect as you say it's a combination of calorie balance and food choices that matters to most people.

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