Rio 2016 Weightlifting

Steve said:
The NCAA keeps getting brought up, but I don't see how relevant they are. I don't suppose any country's college sports system has particularly rigorous testing. And with the number of competitors involved I don't see how it ever can be. It's what happens once an athlete is on a National team that's much more important.[/Quote]

QUOTE] And unlike the Russians the USA didn't (or haven't been caught) plan and design the testing systems and laboratory around cheating at an Olympic Games. The Russian's actually built their testing laboratory so they could break the get around the testing and made complete fools of the IOC.

Ah, so the all the training and competition they take part in during the 3-4 years an Athlete is at College, which can take place completely beyond the scrutiny of WADA, is irrelevant to the rest of their Sporting Careers then?
Hmmn, not sure the Russians see the situation that way...however, across the range of sports, the US setup is quite different to the Russian, which is a lot more centralised...the US Governing Bodies (most of whom famously, and some might even say suspiciously, cannot find their own ar****les) know that they can comfortably leave the process of organised doping to individuals such as
Victor Conte!
Interesting fact about Victor Conte, which I did not realise until I read it recently, was that he was a member of Tower of Power.
Allegedly.
EDIT: Couldn't insert it properly, but the first paragraph of mine is supposed to be in reply to your first paragraph!

Steve said:
Surely if they are competing Internationally they are subject to the same WADA testing and wherabouts requirements as any other country? I know I've read claims Ledecky has been tested 15times this year.. In which case any lack of testing by the NCAA isn't really relevant. I would have thought in the majority of cases if you weren't of International standard by 18 to 23 there's a pretty good chance you weren't going to make it anyway, except with the exception of American sports such as Baseball, Basketball, US Football.. which are strongly organised around the college system?
Ps I don't believe the US system is clean. I think there is far too much money and power involved with companies like Nike.

ChrisMcCarthy said:
Considering in a lot of sports (our beloved WL for example, as described above) you can easily be better than just about any other Country's represntatives and never make a Team for a Major International Championship I don't think this is particularly true.
Also (and in the case of the NCAA Athletes this is so obvious it is almost hard to remember - as it is almost literally the definition of a Scholarship) you would probably never need to compete Internationally once you've left College as you've already won potentially Hundreds of Thousands of Dollars in College Education already.

ChrisMcCarthy said:I'm confused - you are referring to the NCAA Athletes?

If and when they do compete Internationally they will only have to be in the Doping Program for a limited period beforehand but will have trained for years without WADA Doping controls and developed accordingly - I feel like we have been over this ground already?

And, we can include the Chinese Lifters in this and say that members of both groups can be / are of International Class but will have never competed Internationally because they literally CANNOT all compete under the current system...

little_a said:Anyone got other than a guess as to why there are no medals given for individual lifts, but records are kept? Or the flip side, why do they keep records for elements of the sport that they don't receive medals for?

Also, watching the 94's the other day and they listed the OR's as being held by Ilyn? I pondered when these were set? Weightlifting doesn't seem to know its arse from its elbow right now.

little_a said:Anyone got other than a guess as to why there are no medals given for individual lifts, but records are kept? Or the flip side, why do they keep records for elements of the sport that they don't receive medals for?

Also, watching the 94's the other day and they listed the OR's as being held by Ilyn? I pondered when these were set? Weightlifting doesn't seem to know its arse from its elbow right now.

Rick said:She really is keen on rock-solid elbows. Her continuing surprise at lifts being passed does amuse me.

ChrisMcCarthy said:
She's almost always right though...