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| IrishMarc |  | Opinion Piece Equipped Powerlifting and What is 'Real' Strength | 25-04-2013 @ 20:57 |
no really Irish Member 1196, 5908 posts SQ 312, BP 230, DL 320862.0 kgs @ 114kgs UnEq | I wasn't quite sure wither or not to post this up here due to previous discussions and their ahem nature. It seems a waste to do such a video and not show it to the people who matter the most the people in the sport. I invite all opinions and would like to have a good natured discussion on it without anyone getting wound up or it digressing into name calling... not sure how feesable that is given the topic  Any feedback on the video regarding the delivery/topic would be nice as well if any of you want to take the time out to watch/listen to it. | ||
| Fazc | | ... | 25-04-2013 @ 21:13 |
 Sports an extremely muscular arse. Member 38, 6253 posts | I enjoyed that Marc. (Just a small thing, crank that volume up please next time). | ||
| IrishMarc | | ... | 25-04-2013 @ 21:17 |
no really Irish Member 1196, 5908 posts SQ 312, BP 230, DL 320862.0 kgs @ 114kgs UnEq | Fazc said:I enjoyed that Marc. (Just a small thing, crank that volume up please next time). Cheers Fazc (I get that feedback regarding volume quite a lot), I put it up to about half of what the software would allow but it's still not the best. I need to buy a decent Mic, using a ghetto plantronics headset I got for 20 quid 2 years ago. | ||
| Fazc | | ... | 25-04-2013 @ 21:18 |
Sports an extremely muscular arse. Member 38, 6253 posts | Post Edited: 25.04.2013 @ 21:18 PM by Fazc In regards to the topic, I've competed on both sides of that fence. I'm in agreement with you on this. | ||
| Chemby | | ... | 25-04-2013 @ 21:28 |
Member 2950, 142 posts SQ 155, BP 102.5, DL 230487.5 kgs @ 77kgs UnEq | I'm sorry I was too lazy to get to the end but 10 mins in and I agree with you entirely. I want to see only equipment that prevents injury and nothing else. Belt, wrist wraps and knee sleeves and only if needed. I don't want to see performance enhancing equipment because it takes the sport away from the person performing. | ||
| Dave85 | | ... | 25-04-2013 @ 21:36 |
to row or not to row ...that is the question Member 1963, 811 posts SQ 202.5, BP 140, DL 265607.5 kgs @ 90kgs UnEq | The clip of Werner Gunthor is incredible. | ||
| Ramsay777 | | ... | 25-04-2013 @ 22:07 |
 Member 3942, 1107 posts SQ 200, BP 160, DL 315675.0 kgs @ 102kgs UnEq | That was a great watch, love those compilations. I agree on every point that you said there aswell, Marc. Especially with regards to rules in different federations, squat depth for example. Is cast iron strength your website? I was on it recently reading about the russian masters squat routine which I really fancy doing. | ||
| alex_tait | | ... | 25-04-2013 @ 22:11 |
 Member 1629, 522 posts | Good point about how there is no questions asked if you look at a raw pler or olympic lifter and you see a massive lift. | ||
| IrishMarc | | ... | 25-04-2013 @ 22:16 |
no really Irish Member 1196, 5908 posts SQ 312, BP 230, DL 320862.0 kgs @ 114kgs UnEq | Ramsay777 said:That was a great watch, love those compilations. I agree on every point that you said there aswell, Marc. Especially with regards to rules in different federations, squat depth for example. Is cast iron strength your website? I was on it recently reading about the russian masters squat routine which I really fancy doing. I currently have a blog (where you probably seen the russian masters programme write up it's an awesome programme defo do it) the url in the video is a website I am currently working on that is going to be much more of a lifting resource and a better organised blog. Don't want to post too much or any URLs since I might get the ban hammer as I am not a sponser. Cheers for the feed back alex_tait said:Good point about how there is no questions asked if you look at a raw pler or olympic lifter and you see a massive lift. That's kind of the whole point in my mind if the lift is done without any of the gizmos or silliness you can just sit back and enjoy the awesomeness. Anytime you see a weightlifter doing a gym lift it's always amazing to watch and impressive. Looking at Klokov pause squatting 250 kg resonates with everyone. Watching someone squat a s**t tonne of weight to a questionable depth whilst walking around like a fat penguin only leads to questions and raised eyebrows for the majority of the layman. | ||
| JackRevans | | ... | 25-04-2013 @ 22:18 |
 'There was also a sausage in my mouth.' Member 2477, 16481 posts SQ 190, BP 130, DL 235555.0 kgs @ 83kgs UnEq | good video | ||
| unit94 | | ... | 25-04-2013 @ 22:29 |
 what is everyone's fran time? Member 3986, 10449 posts SQ 340, BP 200, DL 400940.0 kgs @ 129kgs Eq | Nail on the head, it should be about strength not learning how to use the equipment, not who can squeeze into the tightest suit possible and who wants to spend money on a new suit every meet so that their as tight as possible! | ||
| Fatpete | | ... | 25-04-2013 @ 22:49 |
 Hyper obese Pete Member 70, 17891 posts SQ 322.5, BP 205, DL 300827.5 kgs @ 133kgs Eq | IrishMarc said: whilst walking around like a fat penguin only leads to questions and raised eyebrows for the majority of the layman. You are making the assumption that the fat penguin gives a toss what the layman and his raised eyebrows think. I make no such assumption. Equipment to assist lifting comes in two kinds: one is worn on the outside and admitted to; the other is injected or taken orally and denied to the last breath. I find it strange that many (not all) of those who openly mock and jeer the former are dedicated devotees of the latter. | ||
| IrishMarc | | ... | 25-04-2013 @ 23:05 |
no really Irish Member 1196, 5908 posts SQ 312, BP 230, DL 320862.0 kgs @ 114kgs UnEq | Fatpete said: You are making the assumption that the fat penguin gives a toss what the layman and his raised eyebrows think. I make no such assumption. I don't make that assumption at all. The person who engadges in such a niche part of a niche sport obviously does so for their own reasons (maybe it's for the approval of other admirers of such feats I don't know). What I am striking at is that it kills our sport as a sceptical and as a participation sport. Two things you might not care about, I however do not share the same sentiment. I want my sport to be as popular as possible and open to as many people as possible regardless of ability of financial affluence. Equipment to assist lifting comes in two kinds: one is worn on the outside and admitted to; the other is injected or taken orally and denied to the last breath. I find it strange that many (not all) of those who openly mock and jeer the former are dedicated devotees of the latter. No steroids are not equipment they are a pharmaceutically created ergogenic aid that increase someone's physiological capacities remarkably. They do not change the kinematics of a lift or encourage a lifter to squat high. Multiply suits on the other hands do both of these things, and change the nature of the sport entirly. Anyone who has squatted out of equipment and in equipment can appreciate they are both two separate skills. I doubt someone who has went from squatting as a natural to squatting as a PED user has experienced the same. This is not a PED discussion nor will I have it digress into one. | ||
| unit94 | | ... | 25-04-2013 @ 23:13 |
what is everyone's fran time? Member 3986, 10449 posts SQ 340, BP 200, DL 400940.0 kgs @ 129kgs Eq | Fatpete said: You are making the assumption that the fat penguin gives a toss what the layman and his raised eyebrows think. I make no such assumption. Equipment to assist lifting comes in two kinds: one is worn on the outside and admitted to; the other is injected or taken orally and denied to the last breath. I find it strange that many (not all) of those who openly mock and jeer the former are dedicated devotees of the latter. Good point although like you said not everyone is a user of such substances. Obviously drugs testing is a much harder process than the prevention of suits, shirts etc. In my opinion the fact that many lifters use PEDs is not a good reason for equipment being used. | ||
| Fatpete | | ... | 25-04-2013 @ 23:15 |
Hyper obese Pete Member 70, 17891 posts SQ 322.5, BP 205, DL 300827.5 kgs @ 133kgs Eq | IrishMarc said: Anyone who has squatted out of equipment and in equipment can appreciate they are both two separate skills. I have done both and they are remarkably similar, not the same, but very similar. My equipped lifting was restricted to IPF approved, single-ply suits. Benching, in and out of a shirt, are much more different than squats. But those too are quite similar, after all, it's bar to chest, pause, and press to arms length for both. The trouble lies there in that people try to get too much out of a shirt, that doesn't make it different, but it does make it difficult. Making something difficult is not the same as making if different | ||
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