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| IrishMarc |  | ... | 25-04-2013 @ 23:15 |
no really Irish Member 1196, 5908 posts SQ 312, BP 230, DL 320862.0 kgs @ 114kgs UnEq | unit94 said: Good point although like you said not everyone is a user of such substances. Obviously drugs testing is a much harder process than the prevention of suits, shirts etc. In my opinion the fact that many lifters use PEDs is not a good reason for equipment being used. It shouldn't even be in the same discussion... Lifters who use multiply equipment also lift in completely untested federations for the most part, either way it is superfluous to the conversation. | ||
| Fatpete | | ... | 25-04-2013 @ 23:17 |
 Hyper obese Pete Member 70, 17922 posts SQ 322.5, BP 205, DL 300827.5 kgs @ 133kgs Eq | unit94 said: In my opinion the fact that many lifters use PEDs is not a good reason for equipment being used. I quite agree. I was merely pointing out the reaction to many people who shun the one and totally embrace the other | ||
| unit94 | | ... | 25-04-2013 @ 23:17 |
 what is everyone's fran time? Member 3986, 10450 posts SQ 340, BP 200, DL 400940.0 kgs @ 129kgs Eq | IrishMarc said: It shouldn't even be in the same discussion... Lifters who use multiply equipment also lift in completely untested federations for the most part, either way it is superfluous to the conversation. I agree with both points, we'll save that debate for another day. | ||
| IrishMarc | | ... | 25-04-2013 @ 23:18 |
no really Irish Member 1196, 5908 posts SQ 312, BP 230, DL 320862.0 kgs @ 114kgs UnEq | Fatpete said: I have done both and they are remarkably similar, not the same, but very similar. My equipped lifting was restricted to IPF approved, single-ply suits. Benching, in and out of a shirt, are much more different than squats. But those too are quite similar, after all, it's bar to chest, pause, and press to arms length for both. The trouble lies there in that people try to get too much out of a shirt, that doesn't make it different, but it does make it difficult. Making something difficult is not the same as making if different I have expericne using single ply as well. Single ply suits may feel similar, I would be willing to bet if I was to perform a 3D kinematic analysis of the same lifter squatting raw and in a suit they would be pretty different. Squatting multiply doesn't even look like a squat. I have quite a lot of experience benching in single ply and raw and it's not even remotely the same skill. Deadlifting is about the closest of the three to being the same equipped and raw. | ||
| Fatpete | | ... | 25-04-2013 @ 23:20 |
Hyper obese Pete Member 70, 17922 posts SQ 322.5, BP 205, DL 300827.5 kgs @ 133kgs Eq | IrishMarc said: It shouldn't even be in the same discussion... Lifters who use multiply equipment also lift in completely untested federations for the most part, either way it is superfluous to the conversation. No it isn't. A man invents a suit that increases his squat and you point he finger and say it shouldn't be allowed. A man injects himself with something that also increases his squat and you say that's different. The fact that one changes the mechanics of the lift slightly and the other does not is incidental in my view. | ||
| IrishMarc | | ... | 25-04-2013 @ 23:23 |
no really Irish Member 1196, 5908 posts SQ 312, BP 230, DL 320862.0 kgs @ 114kgs UnEq | Fatpete said: No it isn't. A man invents a suit that increases his squat and you point he finger and say it shouldn't be allowed. A man injects himself with something that also increases his squat and you say that's different. The fact that one changes the mechanics of the lift slightly and the other does not is incidental in my view. Stop trying to drag this into a PED discussion I care not for your views on the subject or anyone else for that matter. All it will lead to is the thread locked and an end to the discussion. I compete in a tested federation anyone who chooses to do otherwise is their decision. I will leave it at that I would kindly ask you do the same. | ||
| Fatpete | | ... | 25-04-2013 @ 23:23 |
Hyper obese Pete Member 70, 17922 posts SQ 322.5, BP 205, DL 300827.5 kgs @ 133kgs Eq | IrishMarc said: I have quite a lot of experience benching in single ply and raw and it's not even remotely the same skill. I take your point but you are massively over-egging the pudding in my view. My experience of both is very different to yours it would seem | ||
| Tom_Martin | | ... | 25-04-2013 @ 23:26 |
 No one believed him anyway. Member 958, 11411 posts SQ 410, BP 215, DL 4251050.0 kgs @ 100kgs UnEq | Damned strangest Irish accent I've heard in my entire life. | ||
| IrishMarc | | ... | 25-04-2013 @ 23:26 |
no really Irish Member 1196, 5908 posts SQ 312, BP 230, DL 320862.0 kgs @ 114kgs UnEq | Fatpete said: I take your point but you are massively over-egging the pudding in my view. My experience of both is very different to yours it would seem I doubt many people have much trouble getting an empty barbell to touch their chest in a raw lift because their chest is too tight... | ||
| Fatpete | | ... | 25-04-2013 @ 23:26 |
Hyper obese Pete Member 70, 17922 posts SQ 322.5, BP 205, DL 300827.5 kgs @ 133kgs Eq | IrishMarc said: Stop trying to drag this into a PED discussion I care not for your views on the subject or anyone else for that matter. I am so sorry. I never realized that your opinions were so much better-informed and more important than mine. Now that I am aware of that, I will do as requested. Fat Pete, over and out | ||
| IrishMarc | | ... | 25-04-2013 @ 23:27 |
no really Irish Member 1196, 5908 posts SQ 312, BP 230, DL 320862.0 kgs @ 114kgs UnEq | Tom_Martin said:Damned strangest Irish accent I've heard in my entire life. I have lived in Scotland for 6 years and England for 3 before that. All I wanted to hear was you say I was beautiful  | ||
| IrishMarc | | ... | 25-04-2013 @ 23:27 |
no really Irish Member 1196, 5908 posts SQ 312, BP 230, DL 320862.0 kgs @ 114kgs UnEq | Post Edited: 25.04.2013 @ 23:27 PM by IrishMarc edit | ||
| Tom_Martin | | ... | 25-04-2013 @ 23:30 |
No one believed him anyway. Member 958, 11411 posts SQ 410, BP 215, DL 4251050.0 kgs @ 100kgs UnEq | IrishMarc said: I have lived in Scotland for 6 years and England for 3 before that. All I wanted to hear was you say I was beautiful Perhaps next video we might be opportune to see the beautiful face behind the voice as well? | ||
| IrishMarc | | ... | 25-04-2013 @ 23:32 |
no really Irish Member 1196, 5908 posts SQ 312, BP 230, DL 320862.0 kgs @ 114kgs UnEq | Tom_Martin said: Perhaps next video we might be opportune to see the beautiful face behind the voice as well? Anything for you and those luscious locks (no homo). | ||
| unit94 | | ... | 25-04-2013 @ 23:38 |
what is everyone's fran time? Member 3986, 10450 posts SQ 340, BP 200, DL 400940.0 kgs @ 129kgs Eq | Marc how would you go about getting multi-ply lifters to start using less equipment? It seems like a pretty difficult task. | ||
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