Bolt V Farah Over 600m

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fong		...	29-07-2013 @ 21:31
really really interesting Member 3474, 2816 posts SQ 170, BP 120, DL 260 550.0 kgs @ 100kgs UnEq	brownbear said: I hear the first 1m takes like 0.5seconds... so 600m will take 300seconds... which is 5 minutes! f**king slow Still quicker than you

Simeon		...	29-07-2013 @ 21:31
tight in the hole Member 2057, 3121 posts SQ 205, BP 140, DL 260 605.0 kgs @ 95kgs UnEq	Cuddles said: I wasnt as convinced by this when Bolt first said it, and I have yet to be convinced otherwise. Whilst Bolt is clearly faster over 200m, Johnson had an amazing ability to hold his speed through the last 200m that has never been seen before or since. Bolt is a complete freak, but to suggest that Johnson wasn't is a tad disingenuous. He dominated the 200/400m in the exact way that Bolt now does the 100/200. In just the same way, it is by no means a given that the best 100m runner will also be the best 200m runner. It just happens that Bolt is. I know very little about sprinting and won't pretend to, however I remember watching a documentary about bolt and they said that he should really be too tall for a 100m runner, and technically his physique would suit the longer races better. Perhaps this suggests that he could indeed be just as good at 400m as he is at the 200 and 100? Either way it'd be cool if he tried it, I'm bored of seeing him win the 100 and 200 now

brownbear		...	29-07-2013 @ 21:35
Morrisons - rump - 7£ Member 2206, 11578 posts SQ 228, BP 150, DL 260 638.0 kgs @ 98kgs UnEq	fong said: Still quicker than you I'm not slow well with 120kg farmers in each hand i am haha

IainKendrick		...	29-07-2013 @ 22:19
some nice relaxing jazz. Member 77, 12599 posts SQ 265, BP 165, DL 280 710.0 kgs @ 93kgs UnEq	Bolt. Some people (not on here I dont think) are making out that 600m is some alien ultra marathon distance for bolt.

brownbear		...	29-07-2013 @ 22:20
Morrisons - rump - 7£ Member 2206, 11578 posts SQ 228, BP 150, DL 260 638.0 kgs @ 98kgs UnEq	IainKendrick said:Bolt. Some people (not on here I dont think) are making out that 600m is some alien ultra marathon distance for bolt. When most on here do 20m, 600m is quite the marathon

martin		...	29-07-2013 @ 22:21
Why not just not get fat in the first place? Member 132, 1406 posts SQ 331, BP 200, DL 320 851.0 kgs @ 98kgs UnEq	IainKendrick said:Bolt. Some people (not on here I dont think) are making out that 600m is some alien ultra marathon distance for bolt. My gut instinct is Bolt and Mo has no chance. However, the energy system demands are much different from 2-600m and could see Bolt in trouble. It's be a great watch either way.

Cuddles		...	29-07-2013 @ 22:36
Eat.Cycle.Sleep.Win Member 2, 12511 posts SQ 190, BP 150, DL 280 620.0 kgs @ 99kgs UnEq Administrator	martin said: My gut instinct is Bolt and Mo has no chance. However, the energy system demands are much different from 2-600m and could see Bolt in trouble. It's be a great watch either way. I'm on these lines I think. I agree with Rick (I think it was him) that if it got to 800m, I'd favour Mo. Taking nearly a second off of Cram's 1500m record which had stood for bloody ages, suggests he'd be f**king rapid over 800m.


IainKendrick		...	29-07-2013 @ 22:44
some nice relaxing jazz. Member 77, 12599 posts SQ 265, BP 165, DL 280 710.0 kgs @ 93kgs UnEq	martin said: My gut instinct is Bolt and Mo has no chance. However, the energy system demands are much different from 2-600m and could see Bolt in trouble. It's be a great watch either way. Indeed. The clincher for me is that Bolt will have done longer sprints in training regularly and he actually won't need to go full on at any stage to win. It'd be a great race though. They should set it up... or are they and this is not just total speculation?

fong		...	29-07-2013 @ 22:46
really really interesting Member 3474, 2816 posts SQ 170, BP 120, DL 260 550.0 kgs @ 100kgs UnEq	On that article it has bookies placing Farah better than Bolt interestingly enough.

Cuddles		...	29-07-2013 @ 22:50
Eat.Cycle.Sleep.Win Member 2, 12511 posts SQ 190, BP 150, DL 280 620.0 kgs @ 99kgs UnEq Administrator	Post Edited: 29.07.2013 @ 22:51 PM by Cuddles Mikeneto said: MJ was at the top of his sport for a decade...ran loads of 200m races, yet his two fastest times were on his home country track about a month or two apart. Apart from that he always ran 19.8's. Bolt drops 19.3 and below on any track on different years. Bolt is much more talented than MJ, MJ has a better work ethic. Bolt doesn't even need a better work ethic because he has already gone down as the greatest sprinter. 9.58 isn't touched by any record and he's not even trying. I think Bolt also ran 45.3 for the 400 when he was like 16. I think we'll just have to disagree. Johnson was an out and out freak. I believe that if he had been genuinely pushed during his peak, the 400m WR would be lower than it currently is and he would have run more 'quick' times. He is a bit like Bolt in the sense that he had won his races with 50m to go. He set many times in the high 43s that would have been quicker if pushed. (I realise the same can be said of Bolt's victories). Focusing on Johnson's 200m times is an obvious way of finding Bolt to be better than Johnson, he simply is, but we are talking about the 400m. Johnson's freak ability was in holding his speed, something no one has ever done better, in history. We are only speculating that Bolt could do that. We don't know. Is it possible? Of course it is, but to suggest that he is better at it than the best that has ever lived is a bit of jump for me.

garrold		...	29-07-2013 @ 23:02
Member 746, 722 posts SQ 180, BP 120, DL 222.5 522.5 kgs @ 74kgs UnEq	Bolt to win at 600. Same at 610. Dead heat at 620. Mo starts winning at 621 metres. Anything above 120 miles and they're both wank. (Mo slightly less so).

Mikeneto		...	29-07-2013 @ 23:02
End of an era. Member 4646, 1964 posts	Post Edited: 29.07.2013 @ 23:02 PM by Mikeneto Cuddles said: I think we'll just have to disagree. Johnson was an out and out freak. I believe that if he had been genuinely pushed during his peak, the 400m WR would be lower than it currently is and he would have run more 'quick' times. He is a bit like Bolt in the sense that he had won his races with 50m to go. He set many times in the high 43s that would have been quicker if pushed. (I realise the same can be said of Bolt's victories). Focusing on Johnson's 200m times is an obvious way of finding Bolt to be better than Johnson, he simply is, but we are talking about the 400m. Johnson's freak ability was in holding his speed, something no one has ever done better, in history. We are only speculating that Bolt could do that. We don't know. Is it possible? Of course it is, but to suggest that he is better at it than the best that has ever lived is a bit of jump for me. That's just not true. Look at the other 43 second 400 guys Wariner and Butch Reynoulds and their 200 times are like a second down. Now their 400 times are about 0.2-0.4 off showing they had better speed endurance. Speed ensurance isn't some magical genetic gift, you just train for it. The training is just horrible lactic acid training. Bolt won't do it for 2 reasons...the training is horrible and 100m's is still by far the most popular event at the olympics and on the circuit and he gets £250,000 every race(maybe dollars). While MJ was amazing, Bolt is just the one! MJ knows this, on the documentary that MJ did he is just in awe of Bolt's talent.

brownbear		...	29-07-2013 @ 23:05
Morrisons - rump - 7£ Member 2206, 11578 posts SQ 228, BP 150, DL 260 638.0 kgs @ 98kgs UnEq	Mikeneto said: That's just not true. Look at the other 43 second 400 guys Wariner and Butch Reynoulds and their 200 times are like a second down. Now their 400 times are about 0.2-0.4 off showing they had better speed endurance. Speed ensurance isn't some magical genetic gift, you just train for it. The training is just horrible lactic acid training. Bolt won't do it for 2 reasons...the training is horrible and 100m's is still by far the most popular event at the olympics and on the circuit and he gets £250,000 every race(maybe dollars). While MJ was amazing, Bolt is just the one! MJ knows this, on the documentary that MJ did he is just in awe of Bolt's talent. Bolt is the great hope He will redeem athletics and 100m from crises and scandals #natty4lyf

Cuddles		...	29-07-2013 @ 23:37
Eat.Cycle.Sleep.Win Member 2, 12511 posts SQ 190, BP 150, DL 280 620.0 kgs @ 99kgs UnEq Administrator	Mikeneto said: That's just not true. Look at the other 43 second 400 guys Wariner and Butch Reynoulds and their 200 times are like a second down. Now their 400 times are about 0.2-0.4 off showing they had better speed endurance. Speed ensurance isn't some magical genetic gift, you just train for it. The training is just horrible lactic acid training. Bolt won't do it for 2 reasons...the training is horrible and 100m's is still by far the most popular event at the olympics and on the circuit and he gets £250,000 every race(maybe dollars). While MJ was amazing, Bolt is just the one! MJ knows this, on the documentary that MJ did he is just in awe of Bolt's talent. I dont really think we need to get into semantics over speed vs speed endurance. Butch Reynolds was slower over 400m, and he was slower over 200m. We can argue all day about what constitutes speed endurance and speed, but the simple fact is, Johnson was faster over both distances. Who has the better speed endurance? Ie who waa able to run 400m the fastest? We both know the answer to that. You can start fast or finish fast, but over the distance, the only thing that counts is your time. Look, I'm not doubting that Bolt is an out and out freak, that would be ridiculous. I am arguing that we cant just extrapolate his freakiness out to other events and suggest that he would be better than others, who have quite simply never been close to being touched. (Unless Warriner ran times that I am not aware of). Of course Johnson is in awe of Bolt, who on the planet who has seen him isn't? Where do you draw the line? Do you think it's a given that he would smash the long jump world record if he wanted to as well? After all Carl Lewis did it, and Bolt runs faster than Lewis so it must be a given, right? Jumping isn't some genetic gift, it's just trained for, right?

Tom_Martin		...	29-07-2013 @ 23:43
No one believed him anyway. Member 958, 11411 posts SQ 410, BP 215, DL 425 1050.0 kgs @ 100kgs UnEq	Cuddles said: Do you think it's a given that he would smash the long jump world record if he wanted to as well? After all Carl Lewis did it, and Bolt runs faster than Lewis so it must be a given, right? Jumping isn't some genetic gift, it's just trained for, right? You know what, out of the current crop of long jumpers, I reckon....Bolt would stand the best chance if he wanted to!

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