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Wayne_Cowdrey		Mr Untrained Average	13-07-2011 @ 11:25
Still got a little bit of strength Member 400, 22871 posts	Ages ago I started a thread on MT, asking people what they thought Mr Untrained Average could manage on "The Big Three". It was a popular and interesting thread ( ), so let's have a go here! Let's add shoulder press to the list too. What do you think the 1 rep max would be for Mr Untrained Average for the following lifts....? Squat Bench press Dead lift Strict press All lifts are RAW, of course!

IrishMarc		...	13-07-2011 @ 11:30
no really Irish Member 1196, 5908 posts SQ 312, BP 230, DL 320 862.0 kgs @ 114kgs UnEq	1 depends on the individual 2 depends on the individual 3 depends on the individual 4 depends on the individual

Martin1956		...	13-07-2011 @ 11:34
Old Age Presser Member 75, 8091 posts SQ 0, BP 200, DL 200 400.0 kgs @ 105kgs Eq	1. Does it matter? 2. 40-50Kg 3. Bodyweight 4. Does it matter?

JackRevans		...	13-07-2011 @ 11:34
'There was also a sausage in my mouth.' Member 2477, 16481 posts SQ 190, BP 130, DL 235 555.0 kgs @ 83kgs UnEq	From what iv seen, squat 60kg once they figure out how to go parrolel, Bench, usially around 35kg Deadlift, around 110kg Strict press, maybee around 20kg But to be fair all this has been from people around my age (17) so they were pretty weak

Wayne_Cowdrey		...	13-07-2011 @ 11:39
Still got a little bit of strength Member 400, 22871 posts	IrishMarc said: 1 depends on the individual 2 depends on the individual 3 depends on the individual 4 depends on the individual If you got 100 untrained men of average bodyweight to max out on these lifts and took averages what figures roughly would be obtained in your opinion? I was thinking something like.... 65 50 110 35

BenMac		...	13-07-2011 @ 11:41
'Looks like Ben Affleck according to Pagan' Member 876, 2506 posts SQ 220, BP 140, DL 260 620.0 kgs @ 110kgs UnEq	65kg and 110kg for bench and dead would be too high for an average figure I think. Untrained and with no technique i think it would be more 40kgs and 60-80kgs.

Simon_T		...	13-07-2011 @ 11:42
wales Member 1058, 5361 posts SQ 220, BP 140, DL 294 654.0 kgs @ 106kgs UnEq	Mr Average. I'd say..... Bodyweight squat 3/4 bodyweight BP 1 1/3 Bodyweight DL 1/2 bodyweight strict press

Wayne_Cowdrey		...	13-07-2011 @ 11:43
Still got a little bit of strength Member 400, 22871 posts	Users viewing topic: Wayne_Cowdrey ITRG PeteHodgson IrishMarc WILLSAN Guest Tom_Martin martinb n1ck BenMac JackRevans Martin1956 I know how to start a popular thread

martinb		...	13-07-2011 @ 11:46
Grass fed Member 1147, 7710 posts SQ 220, BP 185, DL 272.5 677.5 kgs @ 113kgs UnEq	varies wildly at the Scottish team comp a few weeks ago, I saw 3 untrained woman try 70kg farmers, 2 couldn't move them, the 3rd took them 40m like they were bags of shopping

Wayne_Cowdrey		...	13-07-2011 @ 11:49
Still got a little bit of strength Member 400, 22871 posts	martinb said: at the Scottish team comp a few weeks ago, I saw 3 untrained woman try 70kg farmers, 2 couldn't move them, the 3rd took them 40m like they were bags of shopping 70 per hand? That's amazing!! Clearly not an average woman!!

martinb		...	13-07-2011 @ 11:52
Grass fed Member 1147, 7710 posts SQ 220, BP 185, DL 272.5 677.5 kgs @ 113kgs UnEq	Wayne_Cowdrey said: 70 per hand? That's amazing!! Clearly not an average woman!! yeah, was very funny actually, Robocop was on the pa, got quite carried away, telling the crowd it was giving him a semi

stainless		...	13-07-2011 @ 11:56
Big fan of TWI Member 761, 425 posts SQ 220, BP 165, DL 260 645.0 kgs @ 99kgs UnEq	I reckon i've trained hundreds of mr untrained average over the years so i feel i can give a decent estimate. Firstly though there's a whole world of a difference between what someone will lift and what they are actually capable of lifting,most untrained individuals will be capable of lifting more than their lack of technique,confidence etc will permit them to. Also most people,bear in mind we're taking mr average and not some one that's ever done a gym lift will be very uncoordinated and more likely buckle forward doing a squat,lift entirely with their back on a deadlift and bounce a bar off their chest on the bench.For this reason i aways start people off with easier to execute exercises that they are less likely to injure themselves on. Although most estimates of mr average give the example of a 70kg man,in my experience body weight doesn't always make a great deal of difference in an untrained individual.I've had guys in their thirties at 6ft 5 and 25 stone that could lift less than a 4ft 10 female client.I'm talking about someone that's been sitting at a desk for years not a manual worker.Any way from my experience if we are talking about say mr average being a guy in his thirties that has a desk job and has never trained then he would be able to do in the region of 40-50kg bench,50-60 kg squat and 60-70kg deadlift,and 30-40 overhead. I'd imagine to most on here those figures sound shockingly low but that is what in my opinion a mr average office worker is capable of in his first attempt.

spam_up		...	13-07-2011 @ 12:03
Glorious spam Member 1563, 3961 posts SQ 180, BP 130, DL 260 570.0 kgs @ 90kgs UnEq	defo depends on the individual. i had a really skinny mate who only just managed 2 reps on 30kg bench where when my missus tried for fun she got 3 reps on 40kg. first time i tried deadlift with awful form at about 75kg bw i managed 150kg but prob had some strength from old hobbies like boxing and rugby.

granty		...	13-07-2011 @ 12:10
hernia returning due to hobby of patient Member 1306, 1907 posts SQ 270, BP 202.5, DL 340 812.5 kgs @ 104kgs UnEq	Regarding the women with the 70 kg farmers walk, an ex of mine came to train with me once and i was gobsmacked when she did 3 reps with 50 kg on the bench, and picked up the 50 kg dumbell i was using for benching up in one hand. She was a big girl though, 5 foot 10 probably 12 stone.

James_94		...	13-07-2011 @ 12:42
A very experienced novice Member 1092, 1989 posts SQ 170, BP 125, DL 245 540.0 kgs @ 88kgs UnEq	a 16 year old mate of mine who's never trained before managed a 120kg deadlift, a 30kg bench and a 40kg push press all with s**t technique and at about 70kg bodyweight earlier this week. another 16 year old mate of mine who similarly has never trained before only managed a 100kg deadlift, but did a 40kg bench for reps and a 40kg push press also at about 70kg bodyweight however he is relatively short and his bodyfat levels are higher. SO what this extremely extensive and detailed research tells me is that everybody is different ...

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