Borrow something is not ilegal !
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| shanejer |  | ... | 08-10-2010 @ 18:43 |
Member 1307, 14110 posts SQ 355, BP 240, DL 370965.0 kgs @ 102kgs UnEq | Boar said:whats all this 'torrent' talk ?? man im in the dark here !! dont steal kids !!  ya dont know what a torrent is boar!! | ||
| IrishMarc | | ... | 08-10-2010 @ 18:43 |
no really Irish Member 1196, 5908 posts SQ 312, BP 230, DL 320862.0 kgs @ 114kgs UnEq | Boar said:whats all this 'torrent' talk ?? man im in the dark here !! dont steal kids !! Sorry I just loaded up Kazza and my 56k dropped the connection because my ma was calling the hairy "buisness" partners. | ||
| GATES | | ... | 08-10-2010 @ 18:45 |
 What's your thoughts on one legged drills? Member 1725, 4343 posts SQ 250, BP 125, DL 272.5647.5 kgs @ 111kgs UnEq | IrishMarc said: Sorry I just loaded up Kazza and my 56k dropped the connection because my ma was calling the hairy "buisness" partners. old school | ||
| Boar | | ... | 08-10-2010 @ 18:49 |
 Nothing left in the tank. Member 5, 25563 posts Administrator | Post Edited: 08.10.2010 @ 18:49 PM by Boar Is there anyone else in the world that thinks there is a difference between asking to borrow someone elses ebook and downloading it from a torrent search engine ? | ||
| tlast2O12dude | | ... | 08-10-2010 @ 18:49 |
 Obvious Juicer Member 1613, 1036 posts SQ 185, BP 140, DL 220545.0 kgs @ 66kgs UnEq | Boar said:I cant believe you actually believe 'borrowing' an ebook isnt stealing it , the author of the ebook probably has the opposite view to yourself. Look at it this way, if you sell plates (gym plates for bars and stuff) and you sell 200kg of plates to some dude. And then that dude gives 100kg to one of his friends for a year untill he get strong enough to use them back. Is that person's friend stealing? Because he got free plates! Would the seller be happy? Of course not... but, does that constitutes an illegal act? Hell no! Of course using a capitalist mindset, one would want to make profit of every person in the world that uses their products. But reallity is not capitalist. If you write a book, and someone buy it and then you find out that person read the book and gave it to someone else to read, will you be angry? What are you selling? the book or the contents? If someone learns from the book and then verbally tells about the book about someone else to the point that person stop needing the book, is that person stealing? What do you sell? The medium or the content? Knowledge is free. You can sell the package in which that knowledge is contained, but knowledge itself is free. i ask for knowledge, in this case it happens to be inside an ebook. | ||
| IrishMarc | | ... | 08-10-2010 @ 18:50 |
no really Irish Member 1196, 5908 posts SQ 312, BP 230, DL 320862.0 kgs @ 114kgs UnEq | Boar said:Is there anyone else in the world that thinks there is a difference between asking to borrow someone elses ebook and downloading it from a torrent search engine ? Yeah one involves walking to your mates house which eats into recovery. | ||
| Beard_Of_Iron | | ... | 08-10-2010 @ 18:50 |
 Head of Department, Ministry of Beards Member 580, 2634 posts SQ 210, BP 115, DL 266591.0 kgs @ 101kgs UnEq | Technically speaking, if someone sends you an ebook (in an email or you take it from a usb stick or other medium) - you are not using the original file, you are creating a copy of it. You don't move the data from the lender's computer's physical memory, you recreate it on the borrower's computer. Therefore, you are making a copy of it. | ||
| Boar | | ... | 08-10-2010 @ 18:51 |
Nothing left in the tank. Member 5, 25563 posts Administrator | tlast2O12dude said: i ask for knowledge, in this case it happens to be inside an ebook. that you havn't payed for, which makes the author of the ebook very sad | ||
| IrishMarc | | ... | 08-10-2010 @ 18:52 |
no really Irish Member 1196, 5908 posts SQ 312, BP 230, DL 320862.0 kgs @ 114kgs UnEq | tlast2O12dude said: Look at it this way, if you sell plates (gym plates for bars and stuff) and you sell 200kg of plates to some dude. And then that dude gives 100kg to one of his friends for a year untill he get strong enough to use them back. Is that person's friend stealing? Because he got free plates! Would the seller be happy? Of course not... but, does that constitutes an illegal act? Hell no! Of course using a capitalist mindset, one would want to make profit of every person in the world that uses their products. But reallity is not capitalist. If you write a book, and someone buy it and then you find out that person read the book and gave it to someone else to read, will you be angry? What are you selling? the book or the contents? If someone learns from the book and then verbally tells about the book about someone else to the point that person stop needing the book, is that person stealing? What do you sell? The medium or the content? Knowledge is free. You can sell the package in which that knowledge is contained, but knowledge itself is free. i ask for knowledge, in this case it happens to be inside an ebook. Its against the rules of the forum to disuss things such as this due to legal reasons probably. If you have been around the internet for more than 20 seconds things such as torrents and google should not be news to you. | ||
| GATES | | ... | 08-10-2010 @ 18:53 |
What's your thoughts on one legged drills? Member 1725, 4343 posts SQ 250, BP 125, DL 272.5647.5 kgs @ 111kgs UnEq | i agree with some things that your saying but at the end of the day if i had to buy the ebook then i gave it too you then i am losing out because your not gonna give me the book back as its a ebook where as if it was a normal book then i could take it back off you. | ||
| tlast2O12dude | | ... | 08-10-2010 @ 18:58 |
Obvious Juicer Member 1613, 1036 posts SQ 185, BP 140, DL 220545.0 kgs @ 66kgs UnEq | Boar said: that you havn't payed for, which makes the author of the ebook very sad No one pays for knowledge, because it's free! People pay for the service to be teached or for the medium that contains the knowledge. I ask for the knowledge that's inside the ebook that someone else has already bought from the author! Everybody learns from someone else. Knowledge dosen't has an author, so it cant be charged! Capitalism makes us think that we have to pay for everything! even knowledge but that's a lie. Knowledge can be inside a book, a person's speak, a personal experience. People sell MEDIUMS! Packages of knowledge for easy consumtion. I dont care about the package! i ask the knowledge!! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA | ||
| LukeC | | ... | 08-10-2010 @ 18:58 |
 The one in the guns and roses teeshirt. Member 171, 2462 posts SQ 272.5, BP 140, DL 245657.5 kgs @ 80.2kgs Eq | Pablo you need to research copyright and intelectual property law.  | ||
| tlast2O12dude | | ... | 08-10-2010 @ 18:59 |
Obvious Juicer Member 1613, 1036 posts SQ 185, BP 140, DL 220545.0 kgs @ 66kgs UnEq | Beard_Of_Iron said:Technically speaking, if someone sends you an ebook (in an email or you take it from a usb stick or other medium) - you are not using the original file, you are creating a copy of it. You don't move the data from the lender's computer's physical memory, you recreate it on the borrower's computer. Therefore, you are making a copy of it. I also make a copy of it if i read it and store the information in my BRAIN! o.0 knowledge is freeeeeeeee | ||
| Beard_Of_Iron | | ... | 08-10-2010 @ 19:00 |
Head of Department, Ministry of Beards Member 580, 2634 posts SQ 210, BP 115, DL 266591.0 kgs @ 101kgs UnEq | LukeC said:Pablo you need to research copyright and intelectual property law. given that he said he was a web developer I'm very surprised he doesn't know why creating unlicensed copies of ebooks is illegal? | ||
| tlast2O12dude | | ... | 08-10-2010 @ 19:01 |
Obvious Juicer Member 1613, 1036 posts SQ 185, BP 140, DL 220545.0 kgs @ 66kgs UnEq | GATES said:i agree with some things that your saying but at the end of the day if i had to buy the ebook then i gave it too you then i am losing out because your not gonna give me the book back as its a ebook where as if it was a normal book then i could take it back off you. Losing, profits... money... ! You dont lose anything, why would you have to win anything? Not everything is about winning and losing... | ||