Is it necessary to cheat to get to the top in life?

martinb said:
Yes this confuses me greatly
I would ban anyone that dives, the only problem is it can be difficult to tell what is a dive.
I'd ban anyone that swears at a ref though
Part of the game is so weird, peds are part of the game in many sports, I don't get it

davycummings said:
Agreed, if it is "part of the game" then change the rules and make it clear. It shouldn't be against the rules AND part of the game

martinb said:
But it just won't happen!

Steve said:
I think it's a fair point. If for example a fighter filled their gloves with say lead allowing them to hit 25% harder and this lead to thir oponent being killed then surely it would be manslaughter at the very least. If by contrast a fighter was to take PED drugs, and they increase his punch by 25% which lead to their oponents death then this would be exactly then same offence.
I wonder however if this could ever be proved enough to stand up in court

drew said:
I apreciate what your saying but....
If a man dives, or rather appears too, he could of either been foulled and it look otherwise/ fallen over at an inopertune time/ actually dived. You can't prove it, it's just opinion
You can prove having a bowl of dbol for breakfast and there's no 'accident' there. You either took it or you a clean

walker said:
You could quite easily prove the lead in the gloves was a contributing factor to a death in boxing and a prosecution would be highly likely in this case.
I can't see any chance of it for PEDs use though, far too many variables etc.

davycummings said:
Drew, the Dbol could easily have been in the cornflakes, and the athlete would never know
EDIT: also, I dont think Dbol would be the best choice for a footballer
I no longer watch football, i cannot stand the diving etc, it is so blatant in so many cases that I cant take the accidental argument at all. They could solve it with bans, it is much easier to police than PEDs, but they chose not to, and the sport is all the worse for it.
It is more of a blight on the sport than PEDs would be imo

walker said:
You could quite easily prove the lead in the gloves was a contributing factor to a death in boxing and a prosecution would be highly likely in this case.
I can't see any chance of it for PEDs use though, far too many variables etc.

Tom_Martin said:I suppose if this is indeed true I can happily change my position on this then.

Clearly if boxing is a sport that protects you from the legal implications of what you are doing to your opponent then, by cheating, you are no longer actually "boxing" and deserve to get f**ked......right?

Cuddles said:
This becomes an issue in sport where people go beyond the rules of the sport and it ends up in physical injury/death, because you dont consent to your opponent breaking the rules. You assume they will follow them.

drew said:
All of that statement is in your opinion

davycummings said:
Of course it is, as is yours. Its a discussion forum for opinions
What about the fact that the best winner of the best footballer in the world award grew up on growth hormones to make up for his own physical deficiencies?
I am in favour of this, but why is it ok to grow up on it, but not to try and make up for those deficiencies by the same means later in life?