Is it necessary to cheat to get to the top in life?

martinb said:In sports like weight lifting, cycling, track and field, OBVIOUSLY you need to cheat

OwenL said:

But everyone else is doing it, so is it cheating?

martinb said:
f**k yes it is! If it's breaking the f**king rules it's cheating, no ifs, no buts
I don't care what anybody at WSM takes because there are no rules to break, I care that lance was doping because it was cheating

OwenL said:
But everyone else is doing it, so is it cheating?

Steve said:I find it surprising/disappointing how many people seem to think it is impossible to get to the top in sport without cheating and also how acceptable they think it is (everyone is doing it therefore it's OK)

Do people think the only way to succeed in life in general nowadays is to cheat in someway or is it still possible to be successful through old fashioned hard work and dedication?

OwenL said:
But everyone else is doing it, so is it cheating?

Steve said:
Everybody else was looting those shops so is it really a crime!!

davycummings said:
It depends how you define getting to the top.
Cheating is only cheating if there are rules to break, no rules = no cheating I guess.
So for different parts of life the answer would surely be different, depending on what rules there might be

Steve said:
I guess sport is a lot more straight forward because there is usully a clear set of rules.
In real life as you say there are not always clear rules about what is wrong and right and it becomes more of a moral judgement. What some top business men do might strictly speaking be within the rules/law, but maybe well outside the lines of what most reasonable people consider morally correct.