Rio 2016 Weightlifting
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| Nimble |  | ... | 14-08-2016 @ 09:22 |
 woefully weak Member 4748, 1506 posts SQ 157, BP 133, DL 260550.0 kgs @ 104kgs UnEq | Just saw a video of Auras Didzbalis (bronze 94s)... At least some people are subtle with their use. Does anyone in the sport seriously think he might be natural? | ||
| ChrisMcCarthy |  | ... | 14-08-2016 @ 09:37 |
Lost his pen, then found his pen. #phew Member 4899, 2956 posts | Steak and Eggs, Man. Steak and Eggs. | ||
| Steve | | ... | 14-08-2016 @ 12:24 |
nothing to hide, please follow my life on webcam Member 255, 3732 posts | Wigan said: I agree, thankfully athletics is a big enough fish to detract from weightlifting's dirty laundry. IWF are probably sat hoping for some high profile failures to come up from other sports to soften the blow on weightlifting. What is your view on the whole thing Steve, is the retesting and the carnival it has prompted actually good for the sports concerned? The more I watch the more I feel they need to drop testing all together or increase it tenfold to actually do something about PEDs IMO the current situation is ridiculous. Thinking about the 94kg class. What do you think true life long drug free lifters can actually manage? From what I've seen over the years I find it very difficult to believe much over 360kg - basically the whole A group. If that were true it would pretty much mean testing was completely pointless. | ||
| Wigan | | ... | 14-08-2016 @ 18:46 |
 a cynical old scrote Member 68, 6843 posts SQ 255, BP 132.5, DL 250637.5 kgs @ 110kgs UnEq | Steve said: The more I watch the more I feel they need to drop testing all together or increase it tenfold to actually do something about PEDs IMO the current situation is ridiculous. Thinking about the 94kg class. What do you think true life long drug free lifters can actually manage? From what I've seen over the years I find it very difficult to believe much over 360kg - basically the whole A group. If that were true it would pretty much mean testing was completely pointless. For me they should just accept it as part of sport, drop the out of competition testing, but have in competition testing to keep it under some form of control, but have set tolerances of what can be in the system on comp days. I agree with you, life long clean 94 lifter, up around 360 probably do-able, not sure about much if any more, and I don't think you'd have an A Group full of them | ||
| Rick | | ... | 14-08-2016 @ 19:39 |
 I am a bench-only guy Member 3, 10035 posts SQ 185, BP 175, DL 235595.0 kgs @ 140kgs UnEq Administrator | In fairness there are, what, maybe fifteen in the world that can do those numbers? One in half a billion makes it not that surprising we haven't encountered one in England. (I'm not claiming they're clean. I'm pointing out freaks are freaky and we can't rely on our experience.) | ||
| ChrisMcCarthy | | ... | 14-08-2016 @ 22:02 |
Lost his pen, then found his pen. #phew Member 4899, 2956 posts | If 360 was your cut-off point there would be way more than 15 guys at 94 - probably in the hundreds, at least - in that "club". | ||
| ChrisMcCarthy | | ... | 14-08-2016 @ 22:23 |
Lost his pen, then found his pen. #phew Member 4899, 2956 posts | Seems that the Women Super's B Group wasn't shown Live? 273 leads before the A's however... | ||
| Steve | | ... | 14-08-2016 @ 22:31 |
nothing to hide, please follow my life on webcam Member 255, 3732 posts | Rick said:In fairness there are, what, maybe fifteen in the world that can do those numbers? One in half a billion makes it not that surprising we haven't encountered one in England. (I'm not claiming they're clean. I'm pointing out freaks are freaky and we can't rely on our experience.) But we can look back at what the exceptions from the past were doing. The whole A group at 94kg did as much, or more than Dave Rigert (argue able one of the greatest lifters ever) did at 90kg in 1976 when PEDs were already common and there was next to no testing. | ||
| Steve | | ... | 14-08-2016 @ 22:32 |
nothing to hide, please follow my life on webcam Member 255, 3732 posts | Wigan said: For me they should just accept it as part of sport, drop the out of competition testing, but have in competition testing to keep it under some form of control, but have set tolerances of what can be in the system on comp days. I agree with you, life long clean 94 lifter, up around 360 probably do-able, not sure about much if any more, and I don't think you'd have an A Group full of them I think there's something to be said for this. If it was a completely untested comp it would become almost a game of chicken as to who would take the biggest risks. | ||
| Rick | | ... | 14-08-2016 @ 22:51 |
I am a bench-only guy Member 3, 10035 posts SQ 185, BP 175, DL 235595.0 kgs @ 140kgs UnEq Administrator | Steve said: But we can look back at what the exceptions from the past were doing. The whole A group at 94kg did as much, or more than Dave Rigert (argue able one of the greatest lifters ever) did at 90kg in 1976 when PEDs were already common and there was next to no testing. Are you suggesting that's due to improved drugs? I suspect diet and training knowledge have made a fair bit of ground. | ||
| ChrisMcCarthy | | ... | 14-08-2016 @ 22:53 |
Lost his pen, then found his pen. #phew Member 4899, 2956 posts | Post Edited: 14.08.2016 @ 22:55 PM by ChrisMcCarthy Steve said: But we can look back at what the exceptions from the past were doing. The whole A group at 94kg did as much, or more than Dave Rigert (argue able one of the greatest lifters ever) did at 90kg in 1976 when PEDs were already common and there was next to no testing. I know you refer to the Olympic Games here but Rigert did 397.5kg in the Euros and 400kg at home in 1976 and went even heavier a couple of years later. EDIT: I realise my use of "at home" might be misleading, I mean at the USSR Champs which, back then, was a meet at which World Records could be set and 180 / 220 = 400 was indeed a World Record. | ||
| Rick | | ... | 14-08-2016 @ 22:55 |
I am a bench-only guy Member 3, 10035 posts SQ 185, BP 175, DL 235595.0 kgs @ 140kgs UnEq Administrator | ChrisMcCarthy said:If 360 was your cut-off point there would be way more than 15 guys at 94 - probably in the hundreds, at least - in that "club". There were ten at the Olympics. I know the entry rules are peculiar, but 90% of elite lifters missing? | ||
| ChrisMcCarthy | | ... | 14-08-2016 @ 23:03 |
Lost his pen, then found his pen. #phew Member 4899, 2956 posts | Rick said: There were ten at the Olympics. I know the entry rules are peculiar, but 90% of elite lifters missing? I'd say it would be somewhere around there, yeah. | ||
| ChrisMcCarthy | | ... | 14-08-2016 @ 23:24 |
Lost his pen, then found his pen. #phew Member 4899, 2956 posts | Rick said: There were ten at the Olympics. I know the entry rules are peculiar, but 90% of elite lifters missing? In 2012 there were 35 Lifters at 94kg lifting 360kg or more - given that those rankings are only for International Meets I'd say my number wasn't far off. | ||
| Steve | | ... | 15-08-2016 @ 06:18 |
nothing to hide, please follow my life on webcam Member 255, 3732 posts | Post Edited: 15.08.2016 @ 07:26 AM by Steve Rick said: Are you suggesting that's due to improved drugs? I suspect diet and training knowledge have made a fair bit of ground. I sometimes suspect the effects of all the extra dietary and training knowledge is somewhat overstated. I know it's not weightlifting - but look at 5000m. Mo is clearly the best in the World yet his British Record is only something like 4 seconds faster than David Moorcroft was running in 1982. Britain's two lifters in 1976 did 302 and 327, compared to 333 this year. Remember in 1976 there was almost no testing. Do we really think that diet and training have come on that much? | ||