best training or nutrition books you have read

luki said:Did you do the 7days workout program in Rock, Iron, Steel - Steve Justa Luke?

AMH_Power said:anything by Fred Hatfield. Not only is he one of the best lifters of all time, but the most knowledgeable.

Luke82 said:
No mate never tried that one, are you thinking of giving it a go?

AaronJ said:
Copied and pasted from another forum;
"Nuckols lifted bigger after 3 years of powerlifting as a teenager than 99% of the people on the planet. (755 squat, 475 bench press, and 725 deadlift) He's only had to struggle through minor issues. And all drug tested.
So...here you have a guy who is built for the powerlifts, basically. He's a bit Asbergers-ey, I'd say similar to Lyle, and fails to see the issue when people don't do well on his programs.
He says some s**t both about bench form and squat form that doesn't jive with logical thought...i.e. arms should be perpendicular to the body (and ironically, in a recent bench vid, he looks just as conventional on a 400+ raw bench as anyone else)
So the combination of
1) never had to struggle for strength
2) hyperfocus
3) the arrogance of the young, strong and uninjured
makes you have to filter his s**t pretty hard."

luki said:
Hadn't heard of him before your post. Was looking at his program online from another site. Seems completely different to other programming. Could be fun to try and work on a single lift. Its 11e for the eBook. Worth that?

Fazc said:
Here's the thing with that quote. It's nonsense.
He didn't hit those numbers after 3 years as a teen.
The fact he can now hit those numbers doesn't make him stupid, this is the most idiotic Internet argument I've ever heard. People like this guy who wrote this seem to think strong guys, really strong guys are just another breed of human. That they are strong just because they are. In reality every really strong guy that I know knows a hell of a lot about training. Every single one.
You don't get that strong by being stupid, it's a pathetic hater argument.

AaronJ said:
I disagree. Take someone like Guy Djedje (lifts at my gym). The guy was breaking records within a year or so of picking up a barbell. Immensely strong guy (300 squat/dead, 200 bench). He benched 190 within a few months.
Does that mean he knows a lot about getting strong? No. The likelihood is that everything he did worked from the outset. He's never had to overcome any obstacles etc.
IMO the strongest people are often not the most knowledgeable. The other thing is, Nuckols doesn't even take his own advice. He recently wrote an entire diatribe about how more muscle is better etc. and how all the olde real powerlifters trained like bodybuilders and were so much more awesome because of it. Yet Nuckols has a beer belly, 15 inch arms, and doesn't look like he lifts.

walker said:
Dr Squat.. What are his books called?

Fazc said:
There was a style of training which got really popular around 2000ish called HardGainer training. The basic idea was sound, abbreviated training, sensible routines, focus on progression. The idea being we couldn't apply what Arnie and co did to our own training. Nothing hugely complicated.
But what started off as a good notion turned into a breeding ground for little b**ches whining and complaining about the 'genetically advantaged'. Initially it was pro bodybuilders, then after a while the training sort of self combusted and anyone and everyone who was stronger or fitter was put into this 'genetically advantaged' category. The famous example was Dr Ken, for a long time he was held up as a prime example of someone the Hardgainers could trust. When his video came out of his 400x20 Squat he was trashed by the Hardgainers 'we would break our knees squatting like that!'.
Nowadays the forum is inhabited by a bunch of complete and utter pussies who almost daren't do anything for fear of overtraining and it not being Hardgainer enough.
What your quote described was the exact viewpoint of one of these pussies.
The reality of the matter is that every strong lifter I've talked to, has taught me something. Nuckols has said he's in the process of dropping weight (he's dropped 20lbs so far) while maintaining strength so should be commended not ridiculed.

kirkynick said:
I've never read the book, but I have read his routines online. I did his singles programme for deadlift i.e. singles EVERY day with 70%, upping reps each day and then starting again and adding 5-10lbs the next week. It made my deadlfit technique really smooth, but boy was it boring