Autumn Budget Update

Steve said:
Are all teachers on the same pay scales?
Surely "playing" with children in pre school/reception requires far different skills and levels of reward (I'd question wonder if you even need to be a teacher) than say a level maths/physics ...

WILLSAN said:
an average pre-school worker isnt paid much over minimum wage. id argue that those wages arent fit for the importance of that job. and if you think teaching reception age children is no more than babysitting them you are very, very wrong!

JonA81 said:
I think youve got the wrong end of the stick with regards to what goes on in the early years of school. Surely the times when kids are first learning to read, write & socialise with others are one of the most important?
Saw this on fbook earlier:-
"Teachers hefty salaries are driving up taxes, and they only work 9 or 10 months a year! It's time we put things in perspective and pay them for what they do - babysit! We can get that for minimum wage. That's right. Let's give them £6.08 an hour and only the hours they worked; not any of that silly planning time, or the hours they spend before or after school. That would be £39.52 a day (8:30 to 3:45pm with 45 min. off for lunch that equals 6 1/2 hours). Each parent should pay £39.52 a day for these teachers to baby-sit their children. Now how many students do they teach in a day, maybe 30? So that's £39.52 x 30 = £1185.60 a day. However, remember they only work 180 days a year!!! I am not going to pay them for any vacations. LET'S SEE.... That's £1185.60 X 180= £213,408 per year. (Hold on! My calculator needs new batteries). Wait a minute - there's something wrong here! There sure is!
The average teacher's salary (nation wide) is £32,000.
£32,000/190 days = £168.42 per day/30 students=£5.61/6.5 hours = £0.86 per hour per student--a very inexpensive "baby-sitter" and they even EDUCATE your kids!' WHAT A DEAL!!!! "

WILLSAN said:
an average pre-school worker isnt paid much over minimum wage. id argue that those wages arent fit for the importance of that job. and if you think teaching reception age children is no more than babysitting them you are very, very wrong!

JonA81 said:
I think youve got the wrong end of the stick with regards to what goes on in the early years of school. Surely the times when kids are first learning to read, write & socialise with others are one of the most important?
Saw this on fbook earlier:-
"Teachers hefty salaries are driving up taxes, and they only work 9 or 10 months a year! It's time we put things in perspective and pay them for what they do - babysit! We can get that for minimum wage. That's right. Let's give them £6.08 an hour and only the hours they worked; not any of that silly planning time, or the hours they spend before or after school. That would be £39.52 a day (8:30 to 3:45pm with 45 min. off for lunch that equals 6 1/2 hours). Each parent should pay £39.52 a day for these teachers to baby-sit their children. Now how many students do they teach in a day, maybe 30? So that's £39.52 x 30 = £1185.60 a day. However, remember they only work 180 days a year!!! I am not going to pay them for any vacations. LET'S SEE.... That's £1185.60 X 180= £213,408 per year. (Hold on! My calculator needs new batteries). Wait a minute - there's something wrong here! There sure is!
The average teacher's salary (nation wide) is £32,000.
£32,000/190 days = £168.42 per day/30 students=£5.61/6.5 hours = £0.86 per hour per student--a very inexpensive "baby-sitter" and they even EDUCATE your kids!' WHAT A DEAL!!!! "

WILLSAN said:being able to read, write, add and subtract doesnt make you qualified to teach children to read, write, add and subtract! and schooling children is about alot more than teaching just those skills. children are learning machines at that age and need to be taught by professionals. to argue any other way is either crazy ill informed imo.

JonA81 said:
I think youve got the wrong end of the stick with regards to what goes on in the early years of school. Surely the times when kids are first learning to read, write & socialise with others are one of the most important?
Saw this on fbook earlier:-
"Teachers hefty salaries are driving up taxes, and they only work 9 or 10 months a year! It's time we put things in perspective and pay them for what they do - babysit! We can get that for minimum wage. That's right. Let's give them £6.08 an hour and only the hours they worked; not any of that silly planning time, or the hours they spend before or after school. That would be £39.52 a day (8:30 to 3:45pm with 45 min. off for lunch that equals 6 1/2 hours). Each parent should pay £39.52 a day for these teachers to baby-sit their children. Now how many students do they teach in a day, maybe 30? So that's £39.52 x 30 = £1185.60 a day. However, remember they only work 180 days a year!!! I am not going to pay them for any vacations. LET'S SEE.... That's £1185.60 X 180= £213,408 per year. (Hold on! My calculator needs new batteries). Wait a minute - there's something wrong here! There sure is!
The average teacher's salary (nation wide) is £32,000.
£32,000/190 days = £168.42 per day/30 students=£5.61/6.5 hours = £0.86 per hour per student--a very inexpensive "baby-sitter" and they even EDUCATE your kids!' WHAT A DEAL!!!! "

Steve said:
My boy has just started school this September - for the previous 18 months he attended pre school at the same school. The person in charge of the pre school class was a qualified teacher on a teachers salary.

WILLSAN said:being able to read, write, add and subtract doesnt make you qualified to teach children to read, write, add and subtract! and schooling children is about alot more than teaching just those skills. children are learning machines at that age and need to be taught by professionals. to argue any other way is either crazy ill informed imo.

JC said:
Really? My bad then....this WAS the case 18months - 2 years ago though! This has been stopped due to spending cuts?

Steve said:
I agree - children at that age are learning machines.
So far this term our school opened a week late because it wasn't built, the teachers have had 3 training days, 2 weeks off on holiday, 2 days off because of electrical problems and only just started the children on books with words in. During the same period my boy has gone through the first 5 levels of the reading scheme at home.
School is undoubtably vital for learning social skills, however I am yet to be convinced of its importance as far as learning goes.

Steve said:
I agree - children at that age are learning machines.
So far this term our school opened a week late because it wasn't built, the teachers have had 3 training days, 2 weeks off on holiday, 2 days off because of electrical problems and only just started the children on books with words in. During the same period my boy has gone through the first 5 levels of the reading scheme at home.
School is undoubtably vital for learning social skills, however I am yet to be convinced of its importance as far as learning goes.