Maybe this will be the year Thor takes the WSM trophy back to Iceland?

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martinb		...	08-06-2012 @ 08:25
Grass fed Member 1147, 7710 posts SQ 220, BP 185, DL 272.5 677.5 kgs @ 113kgs UnEq	ursus said: unless ive read your post wrongly mate i am very surprised !!!! Savickas has squatted 425, Misha 365, Z benched 285, Misha 240,theres 30kg in the deadlift too !! Z even out strict presses Mishas log and axle/dumbell jerks !!!Stones, yoke, farmers, and any weight carry is Zs . How can you consider Misha the "strongest man in the world" when hes not even close . yeah Z might have him by a bit on the lift you mentioned, but he's got stuff Z isn't even CLOSE on he cleans 250, and btn jerks 270 that last show Misha did in Glasgow, pretty sure nobody in the world could match? you mention strongman events, like I said, Misha is not a strongman anyway, wasn't trying to disparage Z in any way, IMO he was the best at his era's strongman, until it turned in to land of the giants

martinb		...	08-06-2012 @ 08:27
Grass fed Member 1147, 7710 posts SQ 220, BP 185, DL 272.5 677.5 kgs @ 113kgs UnEq	after seeing Thor deadlift 400, it may well change my mind on him not making top 5 at WSM what will he lose big points on? his log at 175 for 2 isn't top, but really won't be that low can't really think of anything else?

ursus		...	08-06-2012 @ 08:29
Man up and have a fuckin coffee Member 2086, 9717 posts SQ 340, BP 252.5, DL 300 892.5 kgs @ 158kgs UnEq	martinb said: yeah Z might have him by a bit on the lift you mentioned, but he's got stuff Z isn't even CLOSE on he cleans 250, and btn jerks 270 that last show Misha did in Glasgow, pretty sure nobody in the world could match? you mention strongman events, like I said, Misha is not a strongman anyway, wasn't trying to disparage Z in any way, IMO he was the best at his era's strongman, until it turned in to land of the giants im not quite with you Martin ,what constitutes strong then if it isnt strength ? You got to back it up a bit if your gonna say hes the strongest man on the planet, Mishas strong as f**k but miles behind others imo

davycummings		...	08-06-2012 @ 08:30
he's got betty davis eyes Member 1684, 6001 posts SQ 250, BP 186, DL 291 727.0 kgs @ 118kgs UnEq	martinb said:after seeing Thor deadlift 400, it may well change my mind on him not making top 5 at WSM what will he lose big points on? his log at 175 for 2 isn't top, but really won't be that low can't really think of anything else? Farmers. ha was last in the last in the final on that by a considerable margin. Couldn't seem to hold them

martinb		...	08-06-2012 @ 08:34
Grass fed Member 1147, 7710 posts SQ 220, BP 185, DL 272.5 677.5 kgs @ 113kgs UnEq	ursus said: im not quite with you Martin ,what constitutes strong then if it isnt strength ? You got to back it up a bit if your gonna say hes the strongest man on the planet, Mishas strong as f**k but miles behind others imo he may not be the best at any one thing, but I don't think anybody could match him at the variety of his strengths(think there was a thread about it before adding up various lift), and if there is anybody, its certainly not bigZ(because he doesn't do weightlifting) ANYWAY, I was just trying to make the point that Misha won't win WSM cause he doesn't have the required skills

martinb		...	08-06-2012 @ 08:36
Grass fed Member 1147, 7710 posts SQ 220, BP 185, DL 272.5 677.5 kgs @ 113kgs UnEq	davycummings said: Farmers. ha was last in the last in the final on that by a considerable margin. Couldn't seem to hold them oh yeah I wonder if that was his hands, or his back, cause his deadlift has certainly come on a lot since then, but if he has weak hands, he might just be f**ked

ursus		...	08-06-2012 @ 08:39
Man up and have a fuckin coffee Member 2086, 9717 posts SQ 340, BP 252.5, DL 300 892.5 kgs @ 158kgs UnEq	martinb said: he may not be the best at any one thing, but I don't think anybody could match him at the variety of his strengths(think there was a thread about it before adding up various lift), and if there is anybody, its certainly not bigZ(because he doesn't do weightlifting) ANYWAY, I was just trying to make the point that Misha won't win WSM cause he doesn't have the required skills ok then Martin chill out!!! if you cant hold a decent conversation without snapping at other peoples side of an argument you better go back to bed for half an hour.


martinb		...	08-06-2012 @ 08:44
Grass fed Member 1147, 7710 posts SQ 220, BP 185, DL 272.5 677.5 kgs @ 113kgs UnEq	ursus said: ok then Martin chill out!!! if you cant hold a decent conversation without snapping at other peoples side of an argument you better go back to bed for half an hour. again, internet making people sound angry, apologies what I meant with the big ANYWAY, was that I wasn't trying to argue with you, by other measures than mine, BigZ IS the strongest man ever I'll try to be a little more articulate how many men can deadlift 430+(I think thats Mishas best, hopefully you will know) now how many of those guys, can OH 250+? there can't be many?

ursus		...	08-06-2012 @ 08:49
Man up and have a fuckin coffee Member 2086, 9717 posts SQ 340, BP 252.5, DL 300 892.5 kgs @ 158kgs UnEq	fair enough Martin . You are right as regard jerking weight over head but you have to take into consideration a little/lot bit of tech (sorry weightlifters) Deadlift he is deffo one of the best on the planet but for overall brute strength i struggle to pick him.(mediocre squat/mediocre bench) I suppose as always between me and you it comes down to interpretation of the word strength.

brownbear		...	08-06-2012 @ 08:52
Morrisons - rump - 7£ Member 2206, 11578 posts SQ 228, BP 150, DL 260 638.0 kgs @ 98kgs UnEq	ursus said:fair enough Martin . You are right as regard jerking weight over head but you have to take into consideration a little/lot bit of tech (sorry weightlifters) Deadlift he is deffo one of the best on the planet but for overall brute strength i struggle to pick him.(mediocre squat/mediocre bench) I suppose as always between me and you it comes down to interpretation of the word strength. z has his comfortably on the squat and bench! when u look at strongman, we're talking about floor to overhead any way possible, so whether z continental cleans it or misha cleans it, so be it. Then, whether Z stricts it or Misha power jerks it, it's about the most weight overhead.

martinb		...	08-06-2012 @ 09:12
Grass fed Member 1147, 7710 posts SQ 220, BP 185, DL 272.5 677.5 kgs @ 113kgs UnEq	ursus said:fair enough Martin . You are right as regard jerking weight over head but you have to take into consideration a little/lot bit of tech (sorry weightlifters) Deadlift he is deffo one of the best on the planet but for overall brute strength i struggle to pick him.(mediocre squat/mediocre bench) I suppose as always between me and you it comes down to interpretation of the word strength. yeah, suppose it comes down to preference, but if you take the tech out, and we talk about BRUTE strength, there can be no doubt its BigZ, by miles

VanillaGorilla		...	08-06-2012 @ 09:24
the UK's leading expert in bio mechanics Member 1973, 7379 posts	martinb said: yeah, suppose it comes down to preference, but if you take the tech out, and the BRUTE strength out, there can be no doubt its Smalls, by miles

brownbear		...	08-06-2012 @ 09:58
Morrisons - rump - 7£ Member 2206, 11578 posts SQ 228, BP 150, DL 260 638.0 kgs @ 98kgs UnEq	martinb said: yeah, suppose it comes down to preference, but if you take the tech out, and we talk about BRUTE strength, there can be no doubt its Smalls, by miles

ursus		...	08-06-2012 @ 10:09
Man up and have a fuckin coffee Member 2086, 9717 posts SQ 340, BP 252.5, DL 300 892.5 kgs @ 158kgs UnEq	brownbear said: z has his comfortably on the squat and bench! when u look at strongman, we're talking about floor to overhead any way possible, so whether z continental cleans it or misha cleans it, so be it. Then, whether Z stricts it or Misha power jerks it, it's about the most weight overhead. yeah true Adam but remember in strongman we use a axle not barbell, and Z is the best 'cleaner' on the planet and has pressed more than Misha on the axle too from the shoulders !

terryhollands		...	08-06-2012 @ 10:11
9x WSM finalist! Member 662, 3372 posts	martinb said:after seeing Thor deadlift 400, it may well change my mind on him not making top 5 at WSM what will he lose big points on? his log at 175 for 2 isn't top, but really won't be that low can't really think of anything else? I'm not taking anything away from Thor, he's a great lad and getting very strong but do you really believe he could have pulled that 400 after all the heats and the 3 events before in the final? I personally think it looked to tough for that to happen and if he failed the 400 he would be in the same position as last year. Let's not forget 400 was only good for 6th on the Deadlift last year and by the time we got o that point we were far from fresh

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