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IainKendrickIcon...24-01-2016 @ 13:31 
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Boar said:yet the IPF and the affiliated national members still allow previously banned lifters to lift ..... to coach ??? and to ref ??!



If they have served their ban, the same is in any sport. Ed Coan has a lifetime ban.

I certainly am not aware of any current coach with the GBPF that has served a ban? No idea about ref, but if they have severed their ban and everything has been done as per regs then fine.
little_aIcon...24-01-2016 @ 13:54 
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Steve said:
http://www.rferl.org/content/russian-bank-to-sue-world-anti-do...

This was the one I read - http://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1033549/russian-bank-th...

It may be tit for tat or simply knocking one back over the net? Don't know. Bankers don't lie though.
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If you are asshole enough to cheat in the first place 'f**k my competitors and f**k their chance at a title' then why ever let that sort of person back ???

we hear stories of disappointed athletes (in many sports) wondering if they could have made it onto the podium ... if not for XXX ....

oh, hi ! welcome back !! aren't you a lovely person.
IainKendrickIcon...24-01-2016 @ 18:06 
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Boar said:If you are asshole enough to cheat in the first place 'f**k my competitors and f**k their chance at a title' then why ever let that sort of person back ???

we hear stories of disappointed athletes (in many sports) wondering if they could have made it onto the podium ... if not for XXX ....

oh, hi ! welcome back !! aren't you a lovely person.


Good point. I agree, but technically thems the rules. Mind you GBPF bye laws could certanly stop people being invloved in such a manner, and simple self regulation? Fingers crossed WADA/IOC continue to up the ban length
IainKendrickIcon...24-01-2016 @ 18:08 
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little_a said:
This was the one I read - http://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1033549/russian-bank-th...
It may be tit for tat or simply knocking one back over the net? Don't know. Bankers don't lie though.


Typical Russian strategy. Pull you in deep, stretch you supply lines then counter attack whilst it's still winter!
newhybridIcon...24-01-2016 @ 19:05 
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Post Edited: 24.01.2016 @ 19:34 PM by newhybrid
umpalumpalifter said:
reading this I feel like I am the only one who can potentially see the logic in this. IPF follows WADA guidelines about not allowing those who have been banned coach active athletes.
in this case Coan has a lifetime ban therefore the IPF wants him to have nothing to do with those who CHOOSE to compete with them.


Except as dave tate pointed out ed isn't on the wada list. only the ipf one. the seminars are clearly advertised as being run by the WPC who have no affiliation with wada.
http://www.elitefts.com/coaching-logs/ed-coan-seminars-that-fe...
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IainKendrick said:
If they have served their ban, the same is in any sport. Ed Coan has a lifetime ban.
I certainly am not aware of any current coach with the GBPF that has served a ban? No idea about ref, but if they have severed their ban and everything has been done as per regs then fine.


I could certainly name a previously-banned ref, and yes, he served his time and returned as a lifter in good odour. I think he's gone abroad as a coach too, but wouldn't like to bet on it.

People can do stupid things sometimes. That's why first offences are temporary bans, I think.
newhybridIcon...24-01-2016 @ 19:06 
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IainKendrick said:
Sue for what. Upholding a high standard of drug free ethos which its members are clearly aware of?
Tbh I personally don't think the IPF should ban lifters, or threaten to, for going to the seminar of a banned lifter, but it's hardly a big deal.
I do agree that officials, and any kind of accredited coaches shouldn't be attending events of this kind. The 'Lance Armstrong' anaology is pretty apt in this case.


loss of earnings. clearly.
for memebers there are things in democratic countries like freedom of assembly.
newhybridIcon...24-01-2016 @ 19:08 
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Steve said:
Do you compete in the IPF?


nope. why would i allow myself to be treated like a cash cow and raped by their 'approved list'?
i have friends who do though.
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newhybrid said:
loss of earnings. clearly.
for memebers there are things in democratic countries like freedom of assembly.


We don't have freedom of assembly in Britain any more, incidentally. Not that it would apply here in any case; you don't have a right to compete in IPF competitions, which is what they would be preventing you from doing, and nobody earns anything from those competitions, so there's no loss of earnings to sue for.
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newhybrid said:
Steve said:
Do you compete in the IPF?


nope. why would i allow myself to be treated like a cash cow and raped by their 'approved list'?
i have friends who do though.


Not trying to have a dig at you, but curious why somebody not affected would be so upset.
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newhybrid said:
loss of earnings. clearly.
for memebers there are things in democratic countries like freedom of assembly.


It would be a interesting court case. Surely there is a counter argument that his earning potential had been gained improperly by cheating and that he had harmed the sport and the reputation of the IPF cheating.
umpalumpalifterIcon...24-01-2016 @ 21:11 
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newhybrid said:
Except as dave tate pointed out ed isn't on the wada list. only the ipf one. the seminars are clearly advertised as being run by the WPC who have no affiliation with wada.
http://www.elitefts.com/coaching-logs/ed-coan-seminars-that-fe...

sorry but that makes no sense regardless of who wrote it. he recieved a life time ban for getting caught for using banned substances. once banned he is ineligible to profit off those who choose to compete with the federation he is banned from.

two simple things - appeal to those not competing with IPF which there are plenty of. Those who want to visit his seminar don't compete with IPF. pretty simple in my mind
ChrisMcCarthyIcon...24-01-2016 @ 21:33 
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IainKendrick said:
Typical Russian strategy. Pull you in deep, stretch you supply lines then counter attack whilst it's still winter!


This made me chuckle.
newhybridIcon...25-01-2016 @ 06:48 
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Rick said:
We don't have freedom of assembly in Britain any more, incidentally. Not that it would apply here in any case; you don't have a right to compete in IPF competitions, which is what they would be preventing you from doing, and nobody earns anything from those competitions, so there's no loss of earnings to sue for.


Ed Coan could rightfully sue for loss of earnings i meant. he is named personally and swedish ipf affiliate members are told not to go to his seminars or they will be banned.
it's in Sweden so not sure of the relevance of whether we have freedom of right to assembly in this country? Sweden is in the EU where freedom of movement is enshrined in law. so for teh IPF to say members cant go the seminar without being sanctioned could be a contravention of that. i would say its a strong legal argument.

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