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| little_a |  | Another drugs thread. | 20-08-2010 @ 12:24 |
 still a devious weightlifting bastard Member 43, 14374 posts | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11033139 People dependent on drugs and alcohol who refuse treatment could have their welfare benefits withdrawn under plans being considered by the Home Office. The idea is in a consultation paper on the government's drug strategy for England, Wales and Scotland. The proposals also suggest that addicts on benefits should not be required to seek work while receiving treatment. Some experts have suggested that withdrawing benefits could lead addicts into crime and prostitution. The Labour government intended to carry out pilot schemes this year to get drug users into work. Under the plans, addicts who failed to attend a treatment awareness programme would lose welfare benefits. However, in May the Social Security Advisory Committee - an independent statutory body - said withdrawing benefits from drug users would lead them into crime and prostitution. The coalition government scrapped the pilot programme - but the Home Office has now revived the idea. It asks for views on whether there should be some form of "financial benefit sanction" for claimants who do not take action to address their drug or alcohol dependency. Martin Barnes, chief executive of charity DrugScope, said he "seriously questioned" whether linking benefit sanctions to a requirement to undergo medical treatment was fair and effective. He told the BBC's Radio 4's Today programme there was no evidence that such an approach would for work for a "particularly vulnerable and marginalised group". "Also, we have to bear in mind that under the principles that are enshrined in the NHS Constitution, medical intervention should be therapeutic, consensual, confidential - and I just don't see that's compatible with using the benefits system to require people to undergo a complex form of drug treatment intervention," he added. The Home Office has also confirmed plans to give ministers the power to ban new substance for a year until they have been properly assessed in a bid to combat so-called "legal highs". Minister for Crime Prevention James Brokenshire said: "The drugs market is changing and we need to adapt current laws to allow us to act more quickly. "The temporary ban allows us to act straight away to stop new substances gaining a foothold in the market and help us tackle unscrupulous drug dealers trying to get round the law by peddling dangerous chemicals to young people." | ||
| brocerslrd | | ... | 20-08-2010 @ 15:29 |
 Conan likes to listen to music Member 1155, 3461 posts SQ 150, BP 110, DL 210470.0 kgs @ 88.8kgs UnEq | Questioned weather or not it's "fair" is it fair that some of my and every other tax payers money is given to drug addicts to fund there addiction? While they can sit there and say "i don't want to get off drugs". Is this guy having a laugh | ||
| JC | | ... | 20-08-2010 @ 15:33 |
 technical retard Member 172, 36827 posts SQ 310, BP 205, DL 335850.0 kgs @ 108kgs UnEq | I dont really understand why an addict wouldn't want to get off drink/drugs? | ||
| brocerslrd | | ... | 20-08-2010 @ 15:36 |
Conan likes to listen to music Member 1155, 3461 posts SQ 150, BP 110, DL 210470.0 kgs @ 88.8kgs UnEq | JC said:I dont really understand why an addict wouldn't want to get off drink/drugs? I don't either | ||
| Sparrow | | ... | 20-08-2010 @ 15:59 |
 always lookIng for the extra UT2 work. Member 9, 18279 posts SQ 210, BP 167.5, DL 260637.5 kgs @ 103kgs UnEq | JC said:I dont really understand why an addict wouldn't want to get off drink/drugs? Maybe some of them like it? | ||
| Joni | | ... | 20-08-2010 @ 16:10 |
 left the country satisfied Member 10, 19241 posts SQ 240, BP 150, DL 270660.0 kgs @ 107kgs UnEq | JC said:I dont really understand why an addict wouldn't want to get off drink/drugs? think of the hardest thing you have ever done, and multiply that with about 10 and you get an idea how hard it is to kick something like heroin habit. ...that is, unless the hardest thing you have ever done was kicking a heroin habit  but seeing this close by all normal rules and thoughts about human behaviour go out of window. | ||
| JC | | ... | 20-08-2010 @ 16:10 |
technical retard Member 172, 36827 posts SQ 310, BP 205, DL 335850.0 kgs @ 108kgs UnEq | Sparrow said: Maybe some of them like it? They like the hit yes....but I imagine that feeling of being desperate for said hit, is not too pleasant? | ||
| Doc_D | | ... | 20-08-2010 @ 16:11 |
 please use accurate taxonomy in our communication Member 871, 469 posts SQ 240, BP 137.5, DL 262.5640.0 kgs @ 89kgs Eq | JC said:I dont really understand why an addict wouldn't want to get off drink/drugs? Erm - because it's an addiction? | ||
| JC | | ... | 20-08-2010 @ 16:11 |
technical retard Member 172, 36827 posts SQ 310, BP 205, DL 335850.0 kgs @ 108kgs UnEq | Joni said: think of the hardest thing you have ever done, and multiply that with about 10 and you get an idea how hard it is to kick something like heroin habit. ...that is, unless the hardest thing you have ever done was kicking a heroin habit but seeing this close by all normal rules and thoughts about human behaviour go out of window. It is hard yes, so you think that is the reason they dont want to come off? Cause they know it will be hard? | ||
| JC | | ... | 20-08-2010 @ 16:13 |
technical retard Member 172, 36827 posts SQ 310, BP 205, DL 335850.0 kgs @ 108kgs UnEq | Post Edited: 20.08.2010 @ 16:14 PM by JC Doc_D said: Erm - because it's an addiction? Plenty of people are addicted to smoking but still want to quit! They just cant A difference between not wanting to get off drugs and not being able too! | ||
| Doc_D | | ... | 20-08-2010 @ 16:13 |
please use accurate taxonomy in our communication Member 871, 469 posts SQ 240, BP 137.5, DL 262.5640.0 kgs @ 89kgs Eq | Joni said:all normal rules and thoughts about human behaviour go out of window. Absolutely. Imagnie how hard it would be to give up training, which might be the only enjoyable thing in one's life - and then add in a whole raft of psychological/physiological sequellae. I can't imagine why anybody would want to smoke or drink excessively or take drugs - but I am not in their shoes. | ||
| brocerslrd | | ... | 20-08-2010 @ 16:17 |
Conan likes to listen to music Member 1155, 3461 posts SQ 150, BP 110, DL 210470.0 kgs @ 88.8kgs UnEq | I stopped smoking early 2009 and it wasn't easy but sometimes you just need to do something to change your life. Even a little bit. I also sorted out my drinking which at the time was getting silly. Messy break up late 2008 | ||
| Doc_D | | ... | 20-08-2010 @ 16:18 |
please use accurate taxonomy in our communication Member 871, 469 posts SQ 240, BP 137.5, DL 262.5640.0 kgs @ 89kgs Eq | JC said: Plenty of people are addicted to smoking but still want to quit! For this I must confess to having little sympathy. If the desire is there, and the will cannot effect it, I'm afraid that I have limited time for weakness. There are, however, many people who love smoking - cf. John Reid's comments about leaving cigarettes for the poor as it is the only pleasure that they have! | ||
| Sparrow | | ... | 20-08-2010 @ 16:19 |
always lookIng for the extra UT2 work. Member 9, 18279 posts SQ 210, BP 167.5, DL 260637.5 kgs @ 103kgs UnEq | JC said: They like the hit yes....but I imagine that feeling of being desperate for said hit, is not too pleasant? The good feelings must outweigh the bad feelings if they don't WANT to stop? | ||
| JC | | ... | 20-08-2010 @ 16:24 |
technical retard Member 172, 36827 posts SQ 310, BP 205, DL 335850.0 kgs @ 108kgs UnEq | Sparrow said: The good feelings must outweigh the bad feelings if they don't WANT to stop? It must...just trying too look at it logically I know nothing about, for example heroin. But would imagine, 2 hits a day = so 2hrs immense pleasue Other 22hrs = Horrendously s**t I'd rather pass on the 2hs immense pleasure TBH | ||