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» chiro (Go to post)23-01-2013 @ 09:11 
Hywel said:I had several sessions with a chiro about some lower back and leg niggles and its definitely made a difference.


good to hear this....hope mine wrks well..got another sesh with him monday hopfully see some change....his main concern with me is sorting my posture,kneck and shoulders,with the ac he said he can help with it,but advises straping it,so that the clavical can sit properly..this may take upto 8 weeks
» chiro (Go to post)22-01-2013 @ 17:22 
MattD90 said:The irony is the best chiros are the ones that don't do much chiro

The best ones are also qualified physios and incorporate that into treatment which obviously works. They stick to the musculoskeletal system and essentially behave like a physio. They may crack some joints and do "chiro" stuff but it's unlikely that's the bit that helps you

The worst ones do purely chiro, and claim to fix any disease. Their whole profession is based on a flawed principle that bones can be moved serious distances with a gentle crack of a joint. If this was true we'd be f**ked as humans and you'd slip 3 discs every time you banged the girlfriend


Glad u brought that up...was reading somthing simialr earlier about how chiro can can heal vurtualy and thing,including ashma! Yea rite.that I would not believe..

They guy I'm seeing only talks about joints,explains every thing quite thougher..how this wrks,how that wrks....
» chiro (Go to post)22-01-2013 @ 14:35 
drew said:
you get treated by exactly the same drs privately as through the NHS

True,but a lot of people do say to go private for better sevice?I don't knw

Nath I didn't knw they did gluc injections.may thorw that at them....I'm supposed to under DR sharma up charlies,iv never meet DR sharma! Lol

Maybe I'll jus try for a refural,make my concirnes clear and see what comes from that...
» chiro (Go to post)22-01-2013 @ 14:09 
drew said:i did something similar after crashing into a tree downhill mountain biking. a lot of treatment is either based in radiology where i work or has a close working relationship with radiology, i abused the system and got gold standard care

during the week after my injury i was assessed by a consulatnt ortho surgeon who assessed me, i had plain xrays taken

within two weeks i had an MRI and a week later a MRI arthrogram

i was then referred to a physio as an cons radiologist decided the potential tear was a natural varient, which was good news not a palm off

you not wrong mate,if you can doit,go for it i say...

face pulls with a rope u mean,seated?i used to do these,somtimes i do forget some exercises....i dont get no problems doing over head just bench and deadlift now and then....

think i just need to do a lil more research possibly.try and get a refural...if nothing comes of that then defo seek a physio myself
i was reffered to a advanced scope physio who assessed me to have an imballance and several follow up appointments addressed the issue. thw whole process still took months but i didnt have to wait for appoinments or results, but hey if i cant abuse the system who can


without the initial querry on the first MRI about a tear i never would of had the 2nd fancier one or that delay, id of just gone to the physio earlier


the physio said i was bog standard gym goes with too much internal strength and too little external

YTWLs face pulls and pull aparts, super light, super strict and lots of volume every other day
» TRAINIG LOG (Go to post)22-01-2013 @ 14:03 
variuos warm ups

speed box squats off 15" box
min rest between sets

120 x5
140 x5
150 x5
150 x5
150 x5

fronties
60 x10
100 x6
120 x4
120 x5

calf raises
40 x20
80 x16
110 x12
130 x10
130 x10 drop set 80 x12

incline bench

50 x12
60 x10
60 x10
60 x10

oh tri extensions

37 x12
42 x10
47 x8

dumbell swing(10kg) ss with cable tri push downs

15 each hand/x15
" /x12
" /x10

cable crunches ss with leg extension

20/16
15/16
14/15
14/15

nice sesh today,concentrating on speed and conditioning...shoulder felt ok on the bench,still not rite tho...got a lend of some strength shop axle wheels for next week to try out ws style squats...
» chiro (Go to post)22-01-2013 @ 13:38 
i will have a good look at these mate....

the reason i looked into my injury and was not happy with what the first drs said wasbecause i had clear lump on my shoulder,raised clavicle....common with ac seperation....
im happy with that diagnosis now,as the last few drs agree,iv also seen a few lads in gym with it(rygby boys)....
the surgery i refused on the grounds that i believed the maybe another route to take...also my age...
when i made a fuss i saw this other specialist and fairplay he was thougher,the only one who went through my scans,had a feel around and advised me to stay clear of the surgery on offer as its not nessesery...told me to rest it,ice heat etc....
this i did with little affect....
can you now see why im frustrated!
on a skale of 1 to 10(10 being worse) daily pain is 1 to 3 at most,so im not exactly dieng lol....

thanks for your help
» chiro (Go to post)22-01-2013 @ 11:25 
drew said:
It's a logical extension to think that if you get mixed reviews on dr's who spent 5yrs as a student then however many getting a consultancy you will also get some chiros who know they're field and some who don't
What exactly is wrong with you? What did the specialist surgeon/physio recommend as a course of action?


I have ac seperation grade 1..this I found out myself via internet because at first I was diagnosed with arthritus...I put it to 1 of the doctors and he agreed with me that ac seperation is what I got...2 cortizons,brufen,heat and ice treatment was advised.
I have asked on several occations for physio,but was told no! Go home and put hot water bottle on it...
I do have bad posture aswel,shoulders and head arch forword.this I knew befor I went to chiro...the chiro has told me he can fix this this,and possibly my shoulder..
» chiro (Go to post)22-01-2013 @ 10:07 
bruce said:I'm seeing a chiro now £20 a session, I'm only seeing them to get the treatment the nhs told me to get but quick, it has taken 3 month on a waiting list to be be offered the same treatment and I don't want to wait that long, but 9 months in total since I first went(and I told them the exact diagonsis at the start) I do feel the care I got from the nhs was mixed some good some dog s**t, I also work in the nhs and its only because I new what I needed and how to ask for it that I even got as far as I have, I'm pretty sure if I didn't I would have been sacked off.

The trouble with research is that the research is alway biased anyone who says chiro is s**t and don't work will be a doctor or Physio, and the ones that says its good will be a chiro. I think if u think it is working then stick to it till u don't think it is, however I would alway say see a doctor/Physio first, I am only seeing one as a last resort. And everyone is after ur money chiros/nhs are no different

I agree with u mate,I just feel I am being fobed off an its not right.I'm guna stick with this chiro for now,defo get a physio

Drew,every thing u mentioned iv done mate.iv told them I'm not happy and requested physio,second opinions and getting now we're lol.
Think I'll try the GP and ask them to refur me...

Iv looked up chiro's on net and found mixed reviews.a lot saying the have helped with back and posture etc...some saying its bollax..

Trial and error realy
» chiro (Go to post)21-01-2013 @ 23:53 
walker said:The NHS is like anything else, its a lottery on which Dr/Consultant you'll get to see. I do think they do a great job though and shouldn't be dismissed so easily.

I had a grade 3 AC joint separation in Sept 2010. Unfortunately at Rotherham hospital I saw a Consultant whose specialist area was hips. I was discharged with no surgery, physio or treatment. I was less than impressed with said Consultant who explained naff all to me. After 6 months of niggling pain and weakness I referred myself back through my GP to Barnsley requesting a shoulder (not f**king hip!) specialist. This time I was sent for more xrays and an MRI, and then my new Consultant discussed my injury and the options.. I could've opted for surgery with the procedure explained to me, but due to my young(ish) age he wanted to avoid it if possible, as did I, so I was sent for a cortisone injection into my shoulder. Now this worked! Since this in August I have experienced little discomfort and my strength has obviously come back, as I'm now stronger than ever. However, I do feel my shoulders are weaker and lagging behind because of my injury.

Anyway, after boring you, the above shows both a good and bad experience! They were amazing at the Maternity ward at Barnsley too Grin


Think you hit the nail on the head there mate.I think I need to put it down to a bad experence...iv had 2 shots,1 in 2011,and 1 back in may last year,both wrked great.last doctor I seen,wouldn't advise it,and didn't knw that I had 2!

Think I may got back to my gp and get a refural..

Defo look at seeing a physio.finish treatment with this chiro first
» chiro (Go to post)21-01-2013 @ 23:35 
martinb said:
Sorry I wasn't trying to argue either, its just I used to recommend chiro to everyone and feel bad for that now, I like to redress the balance and tell people to research it


Got me curious now lol...looking at a few sites,and generaly geting mixed answers/views...most saying it helped their posture! Others say its fake.

I suppose with all altunative medicen it may wrk for sum,but not for others...only other option I got now is physio! But don't they do simialr things
» Royal Counties Festival of Strength 2013 (Go to post)21-01-2013 @ 23:25 
wjmxm21 said:
Peep through his letterbox Grin


Lol
» chiro (Go to post)21-01-2013 @ 23:17 
martinb said:
Sounds just like me in my early 20s, bad back, struggled to tie my shoelaces for at least a year, I was desperate.
So I overlooked things cause I felt a bit better, and I handed over £30 a session sometimes 3 a week.
Then after a long time of no progress, I started looking in to it, and its bulls**t
Everyone will call him doctor, he's not a doctor.
Im not saying there isn't something wrong with you, I'm saying him laying hands on you won't fix it
I'm just trying to save you cash thats all


I do apriciate ur comments martin...and after what u have said I'm guna look into more...I didn't put this on here to argue with any one

Just to share my experience...I have been hospitalised for other things,on 2 occations and can't fault the nursing staff and other on the ward...

Let's just say I'm pist at the doctors iv seen,not the nhsHappy
» chiro (Go to post)21-01-2013 @ 23:12 
drew said:
I work for the NHS. I firmly believe it to be only a force for good in this world. It frustrates me greatly when it gets bad mouthed for whatever reason as the other party never gets to defend themselves and broadly speaking, people like to moan about what they feel they are entitled too. Furthermore i cannot be bothered to get into a tit for tat debate about why you should be great full for the 2 years of what was in your opinion 'wasted' time. Primarily as I'm off to bed, so I'm fresh to waste other people's time tomorrow Wink
The only thing I will say is I'd hope people wouldn't take your above advice. It's atrocious. Never see a chiro first


Its the fact that I'm complaining about what I'm entitled to.the fact that 7 doctors could not be f**king arsed with me is the problem...if all the scans aint showing anything,u look at different possibilites...
The one who wanted to operate on me couldn't evan explain to me properly what the operation would do and how it would wrk!

1 out of the 7 doctors had a feel around,the first doctor told me I had arthrius,another told me nothing is wrong.lol

What ever part of the nhs u wrk for mate,this is not aimed at u so don't get funny with me,I'm entitled to my say.I have family who wrk as nurses and they agree with me,well some pointsWink
» chiro (Go to post)21-01-2013 @ 22:56 
martinb said:
So he clicked your neck
Next time he does the strength tests, be honest with yourself, they aren't real
They change the angle that they apply the pressure to CON you
I spent thousands on chiro. Not that I'm f**king bitter.
IT'S NOT REAL

Prof?
Look,iv bin f**ked around for 2yrs with nhs not that I'm bitter! I had to try somthing and was advised by many to try a chiro...I'm fully aware that is just joint manipulation etc etc..

Yes u got a point,he told me that in certain positions I have more stabilty etc etc...but there tests were don on both sides,and my right side is weaker..which I knew befor hand

Just to add,I had a sports massage a few weeks back,(back,shoulders and neck)he also picked up on the tension in my back,shoulders..both can't be wrong!
» chiro (Go to post)21-01-2013 @ 22:42 
martinb said:
Im going to go out on a limb here and say after those 3 sessions he might suggest you need some more....


What are you suggesing?

First session was analysis,posture and tests to see if I was treatable,seconed iv allready explained...wen I asked him how many it would take,his answer was 'wen I get the strength back in you shoulder,and get ur posture sorted'

Every is different I suppose,but informed it would take upto 4-6 treatments,with continued wrk by the patient I.e exercises that ill be given

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