I went to a Bodybuilding comp last night - shock horror !

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JC		...	01-11-2010 @ 13:39
technical retard Member 172, 36827 posts SQ 310, BP 205, DL 335 850.0 kgs @ 108kgs UnEq	Big_Gray said: its not like im gonna make it up mate, depth wise i dont know if he would have got 3 lights but i was impressed. the guy was 8 weeks in2 a keto diet as well. anything can be true if its a pl or a strongman but if its a bb then got be made up? 360 for 4 doesnt guarentee 400 for 1 anyway, thats a projected view. I wasnt insinuating you were making it up, I just asked were you sure (ie. did he wear wraps and you mistakenly say raw?) Like I said, this guy is one of the strongfest squatters in the country then I'd imagine....or they could be half squats like a lot of BB (I know I'm stereotyping a bit here) Also, something you said earlier re training types for BB. I am (hopefully) going to do a BB show next October, but will be doing SM training only, none of this isolation s**te!

richscott		...	01-11-2010 @ 13:40
Shoulderz like boulderz Member 842, 479 posts	trouble is with BB, there are alot of armchair experts who know f**k all and gym rats that give decent bb's a bad rep.

Big_Gray		...	01-11-2010 @ 13:48
another lover of conans wheel Member 1116, 2379 posts SQ 275, BP 210, DL 330 815.0 kgs @ 134kgs UnEq	JC said: I wasnt insinuating you were making it up, I just asked were you sure (ie. did he wear wraps and you mistakenly say raw?) Like I said, this guy is one of the strongfest squatters in the country then I'd imagine....or they could be half squats like a lot of BB (I know I'm stereotyping a bit here) Also, something you said earlier re training types for BB. I am (hopefully) going to do a BB show next October, but will be doing SM training only, none of this isolation s**te! half my gym doesnt squat the other half do half reps n none of them are bb's. the prob here is that bodybuilder has become a generalised term, true bb's have awsome legs n u dont get them without doing proper squats. everyday gym users are being called bb's. referring to training types, i used different types when bulking up and dieting, the isolaton work was to bring out specific areas when dieting and was a useful tool. what show?

JC		...	01-11-2010 @ 13:53
technical retard Member 172, 36827 posts SQ 310, BP 205, DL 335 850.0 kgs @ 108kgs UnEq	Big_Gray said: half my gym doesnt squat the other half do half reps n none of them are bb's. the prob here is that bodybuilder has become a generalised term, true bb's have awsome legs n u dont get them without doing proper squats. everyday gym users are being called bb's. referring to training types, i used different types when bulking up and dieting, the isolaton work was to bring out specific areas when dieting and was a useful tool. what show? Mr. Wigan Ronnie had/has huge legs, but in the '.....redemption' DVD, he cant squat 400 raw, thats for sure

richscott		...	01-11-2010 @ 14:00
Shoulderz like boulderz Member 842, 479 posts	andy raynes and eddie ellwood were always the best squatters at BSM, and glen ross was a bodybuilder and his squat wasnt shabby.

JC		...	01-11-2010 @ 14:03
technical retard Member 172, 36827 posts SQ 310, BP 205, DL 335 850.0 kgs @ 108kgs UnEq	richscott said:andy raynes and eddie ellwood were always the best squatters at BSM, and glen ross was a bodybuilder and his squat wasnt shabby. Rich, I'm not disputing BB can be good squatters But 360x4, no wraps is immense. Big Loz, the best squatter at Worlds, squats 350 raw I would love to see a vid fo him squatting

IainKendrick		...	01-11-2010 @ 14:11
some nice relaxing jazz. Member 77, 12599 posts SQ 265, BP 165, DL 280 710.0 kgs @ 93kgs UnEq	Most BB don't squat to PL depth. Point is if they don't need to then it dosn't matter to them. However I have no doubt that BB are also pretty dam strong at a lot of lifts. Khans tripple with 220 on incline bench was a pretty dam good lift I saw this year on youtube.


Big_Gray		...	01-11-2010 @ 14:28
another lover of conans wheel Member 1116, 2379 posts SQ 275, BP 210, DL 330 815.0 kgs @ 134kgs UnEq	JC said: Rich, I'm not disputing BB can be good squatters But 360x4, no wraps is immense. Big Loz, the best squatter at Worlds, squats 350 raw I would love to see a vid fo him squatting i have just spoken to my friend and it was 340kg not 360kg sorry and he had single ply knees sleeves on and belt so i stand corrected. still v impressive tho. in my eagerness to defend bb i didnt check my facts mr wigan is a great show, awsome crowd and great atmos

PeteHodgson		...	01-11-2010 @ 14:32
Has little understanding of the sugden Member 677, 11338 posts SQ 165, BP 125, DL 220 510.0 kgs @ 80kgs UnEq	JC said: I am (hopefully) going to do a BB show next October, but will be doing SM training only, none of this isolation s**te! is this a worlds first exclusive to Sugden Barbell??

JC		...	01-11-2010 @ 14:34
technical retard Member 172, 36827 posts SQ 310, BP 205, DL 335 850.0 kgs @ 108kgs UnEq	Post Edited: 01.11.2010 @ 14:34 PM by JC PeteHodgson said: is this a worlds first exclusive to Sugden Barbell?? No, most my training buddies know....Joni doesn't approve lol I might do 2 days of dieting though and thing 'f**k this' lol Gary - as you say, thats still very strong!

moz		...	01-11-2010 @ 14:49
Feasting on humble pie. Member 51, 1692 posts SQ 227.5, BP 185, DL 272.5 685.0 kgs @ 90.4kgs UnEq	Big_Gray said: richscott said:well said mate, agree with everything you said, i come from bodybuilding and i dont think bodybuilders (good ones) get enough respect on here. cheer rich, all ways happy to say my piece on bb as i am experienced, lot of people bad mouthing bb know nothing In a sports performance wins, simple. In this 'sport' it's subjective as to who wins. I know there will be a judging criteria but that's why I find it difficult to give it any respect and plus the ste that comes out of BB mouths is unreal. JCs got the right idea fk cable cross overs

robocop		...	01-11-2010 @ 15:17
Commentators say: he benches like a bodybuilder Member 231, 1873 posts SQ 400, BP 275, DL 365 1040.0 kgs @ 135.7kgs Eq	Post Edited: 01.11.2010 @ 15:43 PM by robocop hello big gray dont know you that well mate, just out of interest what level of bodybuilding where you at ie how many comps you have done/placed and so on and what you have done in strongman so far i am realy good friends with douglas black from extreme and he holds you with high reguard but with me being injured most of this year i have not had a chance to meet you in person yet having a sports nutrition company i spend a lot of time with bodybuilders and so on i have nothing but respect for them and some of them are mental strong jay hughes for instance was a bodybuilder before strongman and he is one of the best in the country it is easy to slag off bodybuilders in a strength fourm but a lot of the comments are just thrown about cause its easy to slag off the other extreme of weight training one thing that realy upsets me about a lot of guys on the fourm is their blatent ignorance to nutrition and how they neglect such an important part of training it is always "supplements are ste waste of money" "what a pile of ste i would rather spend my money bla bla" but thats their opinion so they are entitled to it

mikex101		...	01-11-2010 @ 15:54
never too old Member 637, 760 posts	Post Edited: 01.11.2010 @ 15:54 PM by mikex101 Dan said: I would be very interested to learn how they train, sets and reps, as I presume that would be the main difference to what we do ? From what i understand 2-4exercises per muscle group 2-4 sets, 40-60 reps-ish total is common place. 7-10 days between working the same bodypart. Some more, some less. Although there is the exception to the rule, with guys doing heavy weight, low rep stuff. Heavy AAS & peptide use is also a year round endeavour for alot of the bigger guys. Diet can be sporadic, depends on the guy. Some are nazis, some live how they like for most of the year, drinking etc and caridoing (is that even a word??) it off and only clean up the diet for the 16odd weeks leading up to a comp.

Doc_D		...	01-11-2010 @ 16:00
please use accurate taxonomy in our communication Member 871, 469 posts SQ 240, BP 137.5, DL 262.5 640.0 kgs @ 89kgs Eq	robocop said:it is easy to slag off bodybuilders in a strength fourm but a lot of the comments are just thrown about cause its easy to slag off the other extreme of weight training Totally agree.

Big_Gray		...	01-11-2010 @ 16:03
another lover of conans wheel Member 1116, 2379 posts SQ 275, BP 210, DL 330 815.0 kgs @ 134kgs UnEq	robocop said:hello big gray dont know you that well mate, just out of interest what level of bodybuilding where you at ie how many comps you have done/placed and so on and what you have done in strongman so far i am realy good friends with douglas black from extreme and he holds you with high reguard but with me being injured most of this year i have not had a chance to meet you in person yet having a sports nutrition company i spend a lot of time with bodybuilders and so on i have nothing but respect for them and some of them are mental strong jay hughes for instance was a bodybuilder before strongman and he is one of the best in the country it is easy to slag off bodybuilders in a strength fourm but a lot of the comments are just thrown about cause its easy to slag off the other extreme of weight training one thing that realy upsets me about a lot of guys on the fourm is their blatent ignorance to nutrition and how they neglect such an important part of training it is always "supplements are ste waste of money" "what a pile of ste i would rather spend my money bla bla" but thats their opinion so they are entitled to it hi andy. douggie black is a top bloke n its great to hear he thinks that of me. did over 20 shows in bodybuilding from first timer to novice to mr. only finisihed outside the top 3 once. i have won classes at mr england, mr midlands mr north staffs. finished top 3 at nabba britain and twice qualified for ukbff british finals. had a go at strongman training in may this year liked it did barnard castles strongest man a week after n came 4th, was 1st goin in2 last event but never done a truck pull. i then did the uk north open qualifier n came 2nd pushin col jones all the way n battling with wayne smith n liam osullivan. 4th at northumberlands strongest man, should have won but made silly mistakes. 7th in the uk north final, crap stones n truck pull knocked me right down. then 4th at wiltshires strongest man very close to karl grant n ross stone n not to far off jay hughes. all this was done whlst still training like a bb n doin events now n then when weather permitted at an outside facility with limited equipment. i now train at mark hills place regularly doin lots of event stuff so big improvements to come. i think a lot of peoples attitude to nutrition is crazy n have said before but got drowned out thank u for the interest n look forward to meeting u in person budie

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