Box Squat Bullshit

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badboy007		Box Squat Bullshit	03-09-2007 @ 13:20
Dirty little devil Member 138, 356 posts	Hi fellas, Just been browsing the forums for a while and noticed the box squat thing is really starting to take off. ie. at http://www.defrancostraining.com, they only seem to do box squats. My questions are this; 1) Why do they seem to be becoming a replacement for the free squat in some circles? A box squat number means nothing to me, esp, as they are usually high. 2) Does anyone do them? If so, what benefits do you get?

Hayden		...	03-09-2007 @ 13:50
memories , like the corners of my mind .... Member 49, 2298 posts SQ 200, BP 132.5, DL 220 552.5 kgs @ 123kgs UnEq	I did do them at one point but didnt really get much out of them. I was veery new to the sport when i first tried them tho.. I will most likely try them again in the future but doing them as a replacement for full squats is a bit silly if you ask me.

WILLSAN		...	03-09-2007 @ 15:50
Trump will get another four years Member 126, 16707 posts SQ 160, BP 110, DL 225 495.0 kgs @ 75kgs UnEq	I use box squats all the time. I used to hate squatting and my squat was stuck at 140-150kg for a loong time. Started box squatting last year and put 40kg on my PB in less than a year. I like them because it removes any doubts about how deep your squat is so I can just concentrate on lifting. I do squat off a low box (22cm) which I know alot dont. Vid of me box squatting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElaK11UHfX4 If you do them I would recommend training with different box heights to stop a weakness developing.

Icepick		...	03-09-2007 @ 18:45
still a cock Member 55, 1213 posts SQ 50, BP 25, DL 55 130.0 kgs @ 0.1kgs UnEq	Post Edited: 03.09.2007 @ 18:45 PM Originally posted by badboy007... Hi fellas, Just been browsing the forums for a while and noticed the box squat thing is really starting to take off. ie. at http://www.defrancostraining.com, they only seem to do box squats. My questions are this; 1) Why do they seem to be becoming a replacement for the free squat in some circles? A box squat number means nothing to me, esp, as they are usually high. 2) Does anyone do them? If so, what benefits do you get? Why don't you try them before condeming it.... I do them quite often, great PC developer especially glutes and hams. They also allow you to work very hard without having to use too much weight, therefore saving your cns from getting fried up. Having said that,I now would drop them to free squats from 8 weeks out from competition.

badboy007		...	03-09-2007 @ 19:34
Dirty little devil Member 138, 356 posts	I have tried them icepick, and i'm not condemning them, I see them as a useful assistance exercise. My problem is, when prople replace free squat for box squat and/or totally neglect the free squat.

WILLSAN		...	03-09-2007 @ 19:50
Trump will get another four years Member 126, 16707 posts SQ 160, BP 110, DL 225 495.0 kgs @ 75kgs UnEq	Originally posted by badboy007... I have tried them icepick, and i'm not condemning them, I see them as a useful assistance exercise. My problem is, when prople replace free squat for box squat and/or totally neglect the free squat. Why have you got a problem with it?

badboy007		...	03-09-2007 @ 20:08
Dirty little devil Member 138, 356 posts	Post Edited: 03.09.2007 @ 20:10 PM The main problem I have is when beginners or novices read about box squats and are brainwashed into thinking they are the only way to progress the squat. Neglecting the free squat is a crime imo.. I accept that they are a good assistance exercise.. but at the sake of the free squat? Never. People were squatting 360kg+ without equipment years before anyone ever dreamt of the box squat (in its modern form)


WILLSAN		...	03-09-2007 @ 20:13
Trump will get another four years Member 126, 16707 posts SQ 160, BP 110, DL 225 495.0 kgs @ 75kgs UnEq	All I can say is they worked really well for me. If a beginner asked me about squatting id recommend them!

badboy007		...	03-09-2007 @ 20:23
Dirty little devil Member 138, 356 posts	Fair enough mate, sparked a good debate anyway.

Fazc		...	04-09-2007 @ 18:21
Sports an extremely muscular arse. Member 38, 6253 posts	Originally posted by badboy007... The main problem I have is when beginners or novices read about box squats and are brainwashed into thinking they are the only way to progress the squat. Neglecting the free squat is a crime imo.. I accept that they are a good assistance exercise.. but at the sake of the free squat? Never. People were squatting 360kg+ without equipment years before anyone ever dreamt of the box squat (in its modern form)

Cuddles		...	04-09-2007 @ 18:40
Eat.Cycle.Sleep.Win Member 2, 12511 posts SQ 190, BP 150, DL 280 620.0 kgs @ 99kgs UnEq Administrator	Good point Faz Personally I like the box squat and can actually understand why it could replace the free squat for guys using heavy gear. After all, do they ever free squat?

Tony		...	04-09-2007 @ 18:51
Is partial to the odd bender. Member 6, 10239 posts SQ 280, BP 192.5, DL 317.5 790.0 kgs @ 102kgs Eq	Originally posted by Olly... After all, do they ever free squat? Hater.

Fazc		...	04-09-2007 @ 20:25
Sports an extremely muscular arse. Member 38, 6253 posts	Post Edited: 04.09.2007 @ 20:26 PM Bah! I'm at a net cafe in brighton and time ran out! I was in agreement with Badboy's point. But also wanted to say that there needs to be more talk about the 'appropriateness' of routines/exercises. Box squatting/WSB and all that has its place, its certainly not in a beginners routines. So basically don't blame WSB when the fkwit who's squatting 100kg or less is considering using their routines. But educate said fkwit, on what he's doing wrong.

Cuddles		...	04-09-2007 @ 20:34
Eat.Cycle.Sleep.Win Member 2, 12511 posts SQ 190, BP 150, DL 280 620.0 kgs @ 99kgs UnEq Administrator	Originally posted by Fazc... So basically don't blame WSB when the fkwit who's squatting 100kg or less is considering using their routines. But educate said fkwit, on what he's doing wrong. Very true. I think WSB gets a lot of stick that it doesnt deserve from said 'f**kwits'.

tbench		...	04-09-2007 @ 20:38
addicted to bench press, needs help Member 80, 1384 posts SQ 175, BP 160, DL 240 575.0 kgs @ 113kgs UnEq	Post Edited: 04.09.2007 @ 20:43 PM Originally posted by Fazc... Bah! I'm at a net cafe in brighton and time ran out! I was in agreement with Badboy's point. But also wanted to say that there needs to be more talk about the 'appropriateness' of routines/exercises. Box squatting/WSB and all that has its place, its certainly not in a beginners routines. So basically don't blame WSB when the fkwit who's squatting 100kg or less is considering using their routines. But educate said fkwit, on what he's doing wrong. i am using the box squat now and a beginner,the main reason i use them is to make sure im hitting depth i train at home and have no way of knowing for certain otherwise,am i a f**kwit if so what should i be doing

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