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| dannym |  | Sugar | 01-02-2015 @ 15:56 |
Member 3240, 270 posts SQ 250, BP 130, DL 290670.0 kgs @ 121kgs UnEq | What's is everyone's view on this in the diet? Before Christmas I was drinking 3 Tins of monster a day at work to get through the day. I was planing on cutting all Sugar out but after three weeks now. I feel can't get going when training. Any advice? | ||
| Luke82 | | ... | 01-02-2015 @ 16:49 |
 Enjoys his parents fully stocked fridge. Member 3476, 868 posts SQ 170, BP 136, DL 217.5523.5 kgs @ 95kgs UnEq | Monster zero is scrumptious. Most sugar free drinks are as good or better than their sugary compadres. | ||
| dannym | | ... | 01-02-2015 @ 17:00 |
Member 3240, 270 posts SQ 250, BP 130, DL 290670.0 kgs @ 121kgs UnEq | That's what I was thinking but the sweeteners could be worse can't they? | ||
| JohnGym | | ... | 01-02-2015 @ 17:05 |
 Hamstrings feel activated. Member 1107, 6964 posts SQ 220, BP 152.5, DL 252.5625.0 kgs @ 93kgs UnEq | Why do you think you need sugar pre workout? (The answer is you definitely don't, by the way) You will perform better with full glycogen stores but that comes from consistent food leading up to your session in the day and days prior. The only way ingested sugar will have an immediate benefit on performance is if you are bereft of glycogen. Sugar literally provides nothing except glycogen. Get that from sweet potato, rice and post workout shake etc. | ||
| JohnGym | | ... | 01-02-2015 @ 17:07 |
Hamstrings feel activated. Member 1107, 6964 posts SQ 220, BP 152.5, DL 252.5625.0 kgs @ 93kgs UnEq | The reason you feel you are lacking intensity in training is not through lack of sugar, but through lack of caffeine from those horrendous Monster drinks. Caffeine is a proven ergogenic aid which improves power output, focus, intensity plus other things. | ||
| dannym | | ... | 01-02-2015 @ 17:08 |
Member 3240, 270 posts SQ 250, BP 130, DL 290670.0 kgs @ 121kgs UnEq | I don't think I need sugar, but due to being busy at work and struggling to eat. I got through the day energy drinks. Just wanting to know what u guys did for this? My diet is better. Eating 4 meals before training. Usually chicken,fish, potatoes,rice or pasta. | ||
| dannym | | ... | 01-02-2015 @ 17:09 |
Member 3240, 270 posts SQ 250, BP 130, DL 290670.0 kgs @ 121kgs UnEq | Do you think then it's just because I was on them for so long and trying to come off them? | ||
| JohnGym | | ... | 01-02-2015 @ 17:11 |
Hamstrings feel activated. Member 1107, 6964 posts SQ 220, BP 152.5, DL 252.5625.0 kgs @ 93kgs UnEq | You are used to training with caffeine in your system but now you're not. That's the difference. Have 3 strong as f**k cups of black coffee before training and try again. | ||
| dannym | | ... | 01-02-2015 @ 17:35 |
Member 3240, 270 posts SQ 250, BP 130, DL 290670.0 kgs @ 121kgs UnEq | Nice. Never looked at it, that it was the caffeine was what I missing. Cheers bud | ||
| Steve | | ... | 01-02-2015 @ 17:40 |
nothing to hide, please follow my life on webcam Member 255, 3732 posts | JohnGym said:Why do you think you need sugar pre workout? (The answer is you definitely don't, by the way) You will perform better with full glycogen stores but that comes from consistent food leading up to your session in the day and days prior. The only way ingested sugar will have an immediate benefit on performance is if you are bereft of glycogen. Sugar literally provides nothing except glycogen. Get that from sweet potato, rice and post workout shake etc. Runners who have "hit the wall" have been shown to receive a boost in performance simply by rinsing their mouth with a sugar solution without actually swallowing it. Could a pre workout sugary drink not possibly provide the same psychological boost despite the fact that glycogen stores were already full? | ||
| JohnGym | | ... | 01-02-2015 @ 18:10 |
Hamstrings feel activated. Member 1107, 6964 posts SQ 220, BP 152.5, DL 252.5625.0 kgs @ 93kgs UnEq | Steve said: Runners who have "hit the wall" have been shown to receive a boost in performance simply by rinsing their mouth with a sugar solution without actually swallowing it. Could a pre workout sugary drink not possibly provide the same psychological boost despite the fact that glycogen stores were already full? Hitting the wall is a symptom of totally depleted glycogen. I'm my opinion I doubt swilling would have any effect on someone with already decent glycogen stores. I think the answer is dead obvious. He was training in a caffeine fuled state. Now he isn't. No big mystery in my eyes.  | ||
| Steve | | ... | 01-02-2015 @ 18:52 |
nothing to hide, please follow my life on webcam Member 255, 3732 posts | JohnGym said: Hitting the wall is a symptom of totally depleted glycogen. I'm my opinion I doubt swilling would have any effect on someone with already decent glycogen stores. I think the answer is dead obvious. He was training in a caffeine fuled state. Now he isn't. No big mystery in my eyes. There have also been numerous studies in shorter events where glycogen depletion shouldn't be an issue which have shown a sugar mouth wash to benefit performance, whilst an intravenous sugar solution (compared to mouth rinse) was shown to have no benefit in one study. Also in one study on 5 s max effect cycle sprints a sugar mouth wash was shown to improve performance on the initial sprints.(but adversely effect the latter ones) | ||
| JohnGym | | ... | 01-02-2015 @ 19:11 |
Hamstrings feel activated. Member 1107, 6964 posts SQ 220, BP 152.5, DL 252.5625.0 kgs @ 93kgs UnEq | You're probably right then. Nothing to do with training with caffeine then training without. | ||
| 93hopkinsonr | | ... | 01-02-2015 @ 19:28 |
 Mr.Potato deadlift Member 2675, 4635 posts SQ 300, BP 200, DL 300800.0 kgs @ 110kgs UnEq | JohnGym said: Hitting the wall is a symptom of totally depleted glycogen. I'm my opinion I doubt swilling would have any effect on someone with already decent glycogen stores. I think the answer is dead obvious. He was training in a caffeine fuled state. Now he isn't. No big mystery in my eyes. I agree. Seems obvious. People think they need things special things to fuel a session. Keep it simple. Protein, carbs, coffee and go! | ||
| Cuddles | | ... | 01-02-2015 @ 19:42 |
 Eat.Cycle.Sleep.Win Member 2, 12511 posts SQ 190, BP 150, DL 280620.0 kgs @ 99kgs UnEq Administrator | JohnGym said:You're probably right then. Nothing to do with training with caffeine then training without. I was in complete agreement with every point that you made, and was going to post saying that, so why get your knickers in a twist when Steve starts a discussion, on a discussion board? He never once stated that caffeine wasn't the reason, hell I know he is an avid caffeine drinker, but that maybe the sugary drink was also having a psychological effect too - something that has been shown both in studies and anecdotally time and time again. I do get amazed at how many people seem to think that drinking tonnes of sugar is physiologically needed for lifting though. Caffeine for the win. | ||