| KevC86 | ... | 02-09-2018 @ 08:24 | |
Member 5141, 4755 posts SQ 300, BP 180, DL 350830.0 kgs @ 130kgs UnEq | FAT_SAM said: Wow strong bump haha After a few years adapting to trt only I find now that I am about 10% stronger 'On' as opposed to TRT only. This is actually less than 10% on squat and deads but 20% on bench. There are more androgen receptors in the upper body, as I mentioned earlier in this thread. 10% is a lot if an athlete is already strong. I can squat around 370 off and 400 on. Also, in my experience, and I have recently changed my opinion on this, a lifter that used heavily and then come off without TRT will be weaker than they were naturally everything else considered as test production never truly recovers. Trust me I know. If you bench 180 clean, Go on gear bench 240, then come off, you will not bench 180 naturally ever again without trt If you use heavy amounts then come off no TRT you will always look skinny fat and spend your life swimming in a sea of your own b**ch tits, and never get back your natural shape and always struggle to get lean, if you choose to abuse drugs it means you will need to inject for life or look like a pear with a soft dick buried in an oestrogenic fat mound This is the sad truth on this issue, a jab is for life not just for Xmas I wholly dispute the 2nd half of this post. | ||
| BigMacca | ... | 02-09-2018 @ 12:11 | |
understanding of the sport, little he has. Member 798, 9948 posts SQ 260, BP 150, DL 272.5682.5 kgs @ 82.5kgs UnEq | KevC86 said: FAT_SAM said: Wow strong bump haha After a few years adapting to trt only I find now that I am about 10% stronger 'On' as opposed to TRT only. This is actually less than 10% on squat and deads but 20% on bench. There are more androgen receptors in the upper body, as I mentioned earlier in this thread. 10% is a lot if an athlete is already strong. I can squat around 370 off and 400 on. Also, in my experience, and I have recently changed my opinion on this, a lifter that used heavily and then come off without TRT will be weaker than they were naturally everything else considered as test production never truly recovers. Trust me I know. If you bench 180 clean, Go on gear bench 240, then come off, you will not bench 180 naturally ever again without trt If you use heavy amounts then come off no TRT you will always look skinny fat and spend your life swimming in a sea of your own b**ch tits, and never get back your natural shape and always struggle to get lean, if you choose to abuse drugs it means you will need to inject for life or look like a pear with a soft dick buried in an oestrogenic fat mound This is the sad truth on this issue, a jab is for life not just for Xmas I wholly dispute the 2nd half of this post. I feel the only way to settle this is for everyone to come off everything for three months then meet up at a central train station | ||
| AdamT | ... | 02-09-2018 @ 13:17 | |
AKA the great reset Member 4056, 5209 posts | BigMacca said: I feel the only way to settle this is for everyone to come off everything for three months then meet up at a central train station 6 months off, no pct, see who has highest testosterona in blood and estrogena!!! | ||
| BigMacca | ... | 02-09-2018 @ 14:03 | |
understanding of the sport, little he has. Member 798, 9948 posts SQ 260, BP 150, DL 272.5682.5 kgs @ 82.5kgs UnEq | AdamT said: 6 months off, no pct, see who has highest testosterona in blood and estrogena!!! We could also see who now has the biggest cup size when being fitted for a bra? | ||
| AdamT | ... | 02-09-2018 @ 14:37 | |
AKA the great reset Member 4056, 5209 posts | BigMacca said: We could also see who now has the biggest cup size when being fitted for a bra? Lol have a gyne off! | ||
| Wayne_Cowdrey | ... | 02-09-2018 @ 16:00 | |
Still got a little bit of strength Member 400, 22767 posts | FAT_SAM said: if you choose to abuse drugs it means you will need to inject for life or look like a pear with a soft dick buried in an oestrogenic fat mound This is the sad truth on this issue, a jab is for life not just for Xmas LOAL | ||
| Wayne_Cowdrey | ... | 02-09-2018 @ 16:01 | |
Still got a little bit of strength Member 400, 22767 posts | What type of structure is an 'androgen receptor' in the body? | ||
| matthewvc | ... | 02-09-2018 @ 17:46 | |
‘downsizing’ Member 5704, 3496 posts SQ 280, BP 210, DL 320810.0 kgs @ 96.3kgs UnEq | Post Edited: 02.09.2018 @ 17:47 PM by matthewvc Wayne_Cowdrey said:What type of structure is an 'androgen receptor' in the body? It’s a protein that is inside many cells, muscle, fat, brain, kidneys etc. anything that ‘binds’ with it has a similar shape and charge distribution (eg testosterone, trenbolone) - binding is typically van der waals mediated as opposed to making a new molecule. Once bound the receptor (sorry better term for the pair is ligand) triggers a cascade of dna-rna activity aka ‘gene expression’ that leads to further stuff happening eg net protein synthesis increase in muscles, aldosterone output in kidneys, increased libido and typical ‘alpha male’ behaviour patterns in brain. | ||
| Wayne_Cowdrey | ... | 02-09-2018 @ 21:55 | |
Still got a little bit of strength Member 400, 22767 posts | Thanks for the information Mr Bigfoot Sceptic | ||
| matthewvc | ... | 02-09-2018 @ 23:10 | |
‘downsizing’ Member 5704, 3496 posts SQ 280, BP 210, DL 320810.0 kgs @ 96.3kgs UnEq | Wayne_Cowdrey said:Thanks for the information Mr Bigfoot Sceptic Interesting that practically all vertebrates make the same steroid hormones (test, estrogen etc) and have androgen receptors but invertebrates don’t. That means Sasquatch too (assuming for one moment, it’s DNA isn’t 100% human | ||
| Pikefingers | ... | 03-09-2018 @ 07:29 | |
Squatting isn't doing my back any good. Member 5108, 869 posts SQ 170, BP 125, DL 210505.0 kgs @ 93kgs UnEq | matthewvc said: Interesting that practically all vertebrates make the same steroid hormones (test, estrogen etc) and have androgen receptors but invertebrates don’t. That means Sasquatch too (assuming for one moment, it’s DNA isn’t 100% human Could the same be said for rods? | ||
| Fakeinjury17 | ... | 12-09-2018 @ 22:44 | |
Member 6229, 67 posts SQ 140, BP 150, DL 260550.0 kgs @ 108kgs UnEq | FAT_SAM said: Wow strong bump haha After a few years adapting to trt only I find now that I am about 10% stronger 'On' as opposed to TRT only. This is actually less than 10% on squat and deads but 20% on bench. There are more androgen receptors in the upper body, as I mentioned earlier in this thread. 10% is a lot if an athlete is already strong. I can squat around 370 off and 400 on. Also, in my experience, and I have recently changed my opinion on this, a lifter that used heavily and then come off without TRT will be weaker than they were naturally everything else considered as test production never truly recovers. Trust me I know. If you bench 180 clean, Go on gear bench 240, then come off, you will not bench 180 naturally ever again without trt If you use heavy amounts then come off no TRT you will always look skinny fat and spend your life swimming in a sea of your own b**ch tits, and never get back your natural shape and always struggle to get lean, if you choose to abuse drugs it means you will need to inject for life or look like a pear with a soft dick buried in an oestrogenic fat mound This is the sad truth on this issue, a jab is for life not just for Xmas I agree with this entirely. How much TRT dosage can you get prescribed by a doc? I’ve been ‘on’ since 2012 and whilst only on test en now am rather reluctant for reasons you articulate above to go fully off. Interested in TRT thoughts. Thank you. | ||
| scruffmcbuff | ... | 14-09-2018 @ 20:27 | |
Lovely ass Congrats. Member 5958, 2315 posts SQ 280, BP 170, DL 300750.0 kgs @ 138kgs UnEq | FAT_SAM said: Wow strong bump haha After a few years adapting to trt only I find now that I am about 10% stronger 'On' as opposed to TRT only. This is actually less than 10% on squat and deads but 20% on bench. There are more androgen receptors in the upper body, as I mentioned earlier in this thread. 10% is a lot if an athlete is already strong. I can squat around 370 off and 400 on. Also, in my experience, and I have recently changed my opinion on this, a lifter that used heavily and then come off without TRT will be weaker than they were naturally everything else considered as test production never truly recovers. Trust me I know. If you bench 180 clean, Go on gear bench 240, then come off, you will not bench 180 naturally ever again without trt If you use heavy amounts then come off no TRT you will always look skinny fat and spend your life swimming in a sea of your own b**ch tits, and never get back your natural shape and always struggle to get lean, if you choose to abuse drugs it means you will need to inject for life or look like a pear with a soft dick buried in an oestrogenic fat mound This is the sad truth on this issue, a jab is for life not just for Xmas I have to disagree with you to a degree! The b**ch tits and the pear thing is true tho. Thinking though im not sure im a good bench mark for this as im 14 stone heavier then before i started gear. But im stronger clean now then my 14 stone pre drug self. | ||