Under 105kg Structure 2012
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| JC |  | ... | 02-09-2011 @ 19:40 |
 technical retard Member 172, 36827 posts SQ 310, BP 205, DL 335850.0 kgs @ 108kgs UnEq | JohnMarsden said: You have your opinion and I have mine. Its nothing to do with being Macho and peacock posturing, if you look at U90kg events they are not that much lighter than the 105s and theres plenty of people competing in U90s so cant be all down to weights being too heavy I think the weights should stay the same or go up, lowering weights seems like a step back IMO There is only one person posturing here Marsbar.....and its Olly He's basically called you a c**t...and 'offered you out'...the southern c**t! He's cruising for a slap at Dragons..... | ||
| mikehowarth | | ... | 02-09-2011 @ 19:48 |
 Not so much as forgotten as can't remember Member 894, 4924 posts SQ 245, BP 167.5, DL 272.5685.0 kgs @ 100kgs UnEq | JohnMarsden said: You have your opinion and I have mine. Its nothing to do with being Macho and peacock posturing, if you look at U90kg events they are not that much lighter than the 105s and theres plenty of people competing in U90s so cant be all down to weights being too heavy I think the weights should stay the same or go up, lowering weights seems like a step back IMO Any "lowering" if you want to coin it in that phrase would not lessen the competition and individuals taking part but simply attract others to join in a have a play Some more speed and explosiveness from those that find the events more comfortable is to be expected It's easy if you dont put much thought into it to make a link between lighter weights and a lesser competition...As in other strength sports... if anything the consensus is that from a spectators view more of a competition is to be had through less 0 reps and slow sluggish unimpressive performances | ||
| JohnMarsden | | ... | 02-09-2011 @ 19:54 |
 Champion of Under The Radar 105 Member 805, 5301 posts SQ 325, BP 202.5, DL 335862.5 kgs @ 105kgs Eq | mikehowarth said: Any "lowering" if you want to coin it in that phrase would not lessen the competition and individuals taking part but simply attract others to join in a have a play Some more speed and explosiveness from those that find the events more comfortable is to be expected It's easy if you dont put much thought into it to make a link between lighter weights and a lesser competition...As in other strength sports... if anything the consensus is that from a spectators view more of a competition is to be had through less 0 reps and slow sluggish unimpressive performances Why would it attact others to take part? U90kg seems to have plenty of athletes competing, just look at the numbers for dragons and the weights are heavy for their bodyweight Again we all have our own opninions and I disagree with you  | ||
| hilliker | | ... | 02-09-2011 @ 19:55 |
Member 1025, 1032 posts | If I was gonna put southern qualifier on again I would have 1.120kg farmers for distance 2.110kg log for reps in 75secs 3.340kg yoke for 25m 4.240kg deadlift for reps in 75secs 5.tyre flips for reps in 75secs 6.110,120,130,140,150kg stones Bit lighter than last year but still just as tough | ||
| JohnMarsden | | ... | 02-09-2011 @ 19:56 |
Champion of Under The Radar 105 Member 805, 5301 posts SQ 325, BP 202.5, DL 335862.5 kgs @ 105kgs Eq | JC said: There is only one person posturing here Marsbar.....and its Olly He's basically called you a c**t...and 'offered you out'...the southern c**t! He's cruising for a slap at Dragons..... I know throwing what weight he does have about I think we should both give him a good kicking for being from the south and also for being a c**t | ||
| mikehowarth | | ... | 02-09-2011 @ 20:00 |
Not so much as forgotten as can't remember Member 894, 4924 posts SQ 245, BP 167.5, DL 272.5685.0 kgs @ 100kgs UnEq | JohnMarsden said: Why would it attact others to take part? U90kg seems to have plenty of athletes competing, just look at the numbers for dragons and the weights are heavy for their bodyweight Again we all have our own opninions and I disagree with you Because there are people out there who want to compete but are reluctant due to guaranteed 0 reps on the deadlift and other static stuff This holds there participation back Pete hodgseon rings a bell under this category of people The concluding point is lowering the weights doesnt alter the competitiveness for the guys who are able to perform anyway, so it's win win | ||
| mikehowarth | | ... | 02-09-2011 @ 20:02 |
Not so much as forgotten as can't remember Member 894, 4924 posts SQ 245, BP 167.5, DL 272.5685.0 kgs @ 100kgs UnEq | JohnMarsden said: Why would it attact others to take part? U90kg seems to have plenty of athletes competing, just look at the numbers for dragons and the weights are heavy for their bodyweight Again we all have our own opninions and I disagree with you The dragons has lighter choices so is a poor example for your daft point | ||
| JohnMarsden | | ... | 02-09-2011 @ 20:05 |
Champion of Under The Radar 105 Member 805, 5301 posts SQ 325, BP 202.5, DL 335862.5 kgs @ 105kgs Eq | mikehowarth said: Because there are people out there who want to compete but are reluctant due to guaranteed 0 reps on the deadlift and other static stuff This holds there participation back Pete hodgseon rings a bell under this category of people The concluding point is lowering the weights doesnt alter the competitiveness for the guys who are able to perform anyway, so it's win win So you want the weights lighter to accomodate one person At the end of the day im not really arsed, the promoters will pick the events in the end and everyone will just have to like it or lump it I just think they should stay at the level they currently are We will just have to agree to disagree | ||
| JohnMarsden | | ... | 02-09-2011 @ 20:07 |
Champion of Under The Radar 105 Member 805, 5301 posts SQ 325, BP 202.5, DL 335862.5 kgs @ 105kgs Eq | mikehowarth said: The dragons has lighter choices so is a poor example for your daft point perhaps this is the way forward for the 105s then, have two weight options at the qualifiers that way the stronger guys can have there battle and it gives the newer guys a chance to compete at a qualifier And you right bad example but the finals werent that much lighter than 105s | ||
| mikehowarth | | ... | 02-09-2011 @ 20:18 |
Not so much as forgotten as can't remember Member 894, 4924 posts SQ 245, BP 167.5, DL 272.5685.0 kgs @ 100kgs UnEq | JohnMarsden said: perhaps this is the way forward for the 105s then, have two weight options at the qualifiers My entire point is that this is not necessary The strongest man will still win | ||
| JohnMarsden | | ... | 02-09-2011 @ 20:24 |
Champion of Under The Radar 105 Member 805, 5301 posts SQ 325, BP 202.5, DL 335862.5 kgs @ 105kgs Eq | mikehowarth said: My entire point is that this is not necessary The strongest man will still win As I have already said we will have to aggree to disagree, I have my views, you have yours and everone else has theres, bored of this now, its clearly not going anywhere Will leave it to the promoters, as they will decide in the end what they want to put in there comp | ||
| JC | | ... | 02-09-2011 @ 20:54 |
technical retard Member 172, 36827 posts SQ 310, BP 205, DL 335850.0 kgs @ 108kgs UnEq | hilliker said:If I was gonna put southern qualifier on again I would have 1.120kg farmers for distance 2.110kg log for reps in 75secs 3.340kg yoke for 25m 4.240kg deadlift for reps in 75secs 5.tyre flips for reps in 75secs 6.110,120,130,140,150kg stones Bit lighter than last year but still just as tough That would be a superb comp IMO | ||
| Paul_D | | ... | 02-09-2011 @ 20:58 |
 Hey mate, my name is Paul Dudley Member 632, 3628 posts SQ 200, BP 155, DL 282.5637.5 kgs @ 77kgs UnEq | I personally prefer heavy comps. But I'm a little prick so my opinion means absolutley nothing. Just to throw something in there, I see where John is coming from, say a log is 110kg for reps. Maybe a dude with a 140kg max log could nail 10 and another guy (lets say cleggy) that has a 160+ max might not beat that number because they are not used to repping as much in training and train to get stronger 1RM's. I know that with stronger singles comes stronger repping but hopefully you can sort of see where I'm coming from... | ||
| fredhick | | ... | 02-09-2011 @ 21:06 |
 Let me show you how to do a hitler Member 1070, 433 posts SQ 275, BP 220, DL 310805.0 kgs @ 116kgs UnEq | If guy a with a big one rep max gets beaten by guy b with a lighter 1 rep max then so be it, guy b was clearly better in that event. The same can be said when you do a max deadlift so the mobile guys will probably get beaten. If you want to see lots of 1 rep maxing be a Powerlifter. | ||
| JC | | ... | 02-09-2011 @ 21:07 |
technical retard Member 172, 36827 posts SQ 310, BP 205, DL 335850.0 kgs @ 108kgs UnEq | Paul_D said:I personally prefer heavy comps. But I'm a little prick so my opinion means absolutley nothing. Just to throw something in there, I see where John is coming from, say a log is 110kg for reps. Maybe a dude with a 140kg max log could nail 10 and another guy (lets say cleggy) that has a 160+ max might not beat that number because they are not used to repping as much in training and train to get stronger 1RM's. I know that with stronger singles comes stronger repping but hopefully you can sort of see where I'm coming from... Indeed. When I was a 140+ man, 130-35KG loggers would beat me for reps on 120 | ||