What tier are you in?

Rick said:
This is exactly equivalent to, in the Blitz, saying "if an adult wants to leave his curtains open and his lights on, he can take his own risks and that's none of anybody else's business". The potential harms are not limited to the initial actors. People have neighbours.

Rick said:
This is exactly equivalent to, in the Blitz, saying "if an adult wants to leave his curtains open and his lights on, he can take his own risks and that's none of anybody else's business". The potential harms are not limited to the initial actors. People have neighbours.

WILLSAN said:
in my view, everyone should make their own call for the reasons above. ill wear a mask and socially distance but if two consenting adults want to shake hands that none of my business. the government should have zero say in this.

KevC86 said:
The trouble is the handshaking analogy isn't endangering anyone who doesn't consent to it.
I shake hands with "x".
I return home and socially distance from my neighbours as well as doing everything i can to minimise contact with others.

My actions have not meaningfully increased the risk to anyone other than my own and "x's" households.

Rick said:

Your first sentence and your second sentence seen to me to be describing one person as two implausibly different people.


Both sentences are describing me.
I'm all for social distancing and trying to protect others but i decide what that means with minimal recourse to any government advice.
On Friday i shook hands with a few men I've worked with all year.
On Wednesday i will offer handshakes to two more colleagues.
I even took a bottle of hand sanitizer with me for that express purpose.





And everyone who anybody from either of those households comes into contact with, which is obviously not nobody. Especially if you have school-aged children, or work in a public setting.

KevC86 said:
The trouble is the handshaking analogy isn't endangering anyone who doesn't consent to it.
I shake hands with "x".
I return home and socially distance from my neighbours as well as doing everything i can to minimise contact with others.
My actions have not meaningfully increased the risk to anyone other than my own and "x's" households.
As an adult i feel i am within my remit to accept whatever risks i deem reasonable for me and my household.
Similarly if i invite someone in to my house/gym/garden against the rules this Christmas.
They have the intelligence and freedom of thought to decide if they accept that invitation.

KevC86 said:

Does that increase the risk? Of course, 506 is more than 500.
Does it meaningfully increase the risk? I'll strongly argue it does not.

Rick said:
But it does increase the risk, for no purpose. I mean, you do you, but expect people to criticise.

Rick said:
But it does increase the risk, for no purpose. I mean, you do you, but expect people to criticise.
I'd also point out, in fairness, that the behaviour you're describing is very different to that described by the member I originally responded to.

dannyboy73 said:you actually get what i was saying about the handshake.

i wouldnt want to hake hands with anyone high risk or worried. all other, no issue and i retain myself and unchanged through a challenging year.

stay free eveyone and happy xmass.


quote]KevC86 said:
There is a very definite purpose in a handshake.
But i can accept that not everyone will share my views on that and I'm comfortable enough with the fact people won't always agree with me on any given issue.
Happy holidays to all x

dannyboy73 said:because i just enjoy winding you up

Rick said:
Normally children grow out of that at about fifteen. It's a good job I have plenty of patience, or this forum would have several fewer members by now.
Still, I'm glad you're claiming you're just a liar, not flagrantly irresponsible, it seems.

Rick said:
Normally children grow out of that at about fifteen. It's a good job I have plenty of patience, or this forum would have several fewer members by now.
Still, I'm glad you're claiming you're just a liar, not flagrantly irresponsible, it seems.